Arsenal 2017/18

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Yates said:
He covers distance but doesn't stick a tackle in, he's the most passive "world class" player I've seen. He's only there when it is easy going. Never shows up in the big games and he is meant to be a big time player, if he played for us and we were having one of those days, he'd be the one hiding the most, he rightfully deserves criticism. Arsene Wenger gets the most amount of stick anyway, him and the board at Arsenal have accepted Top 4 being their benchmark for achievement and it is coming to bite them in the arse.
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How many times does he play poorly when Arsenal play well though? He's a symptom not the problem.
 
jimharri said:
I like DT; there's no bullshit with him. He says it as he sees it. Similarly with Claude. Hard to take Ty seriously with those headphones; they're bigger than him, for fuck's sake. Troopz? Well; he's a bloody alien, isn't he? Some weird dialect.
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I actually feel for them, because it does seem like their suits are taking them for a ride, aided and abetted by
Wenger's weird team selections.
 
mccity said:
How many times does he play poorly when Arsenal play well though? He's a symptom not the problem.
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Because Ozil can play well when it's nice and easy doesn't make him immune from criticism when he let's the game pass him by with no impact whatsoever and I've clearly stated where I see the problem at Arsenal and all the pundits after the game pointed in the same direction and Ozil wasn't the scapegoat there but his attitude does epitomise the issue. Henry was right, Arsenal have become too comfortable.
 
Yates said:
Because Ozil can play well when it's nice and easy doesn't make him immune from criticism when he let's the game pass him by with no impact whatsoever and I've clearly stated where I see the problem at Arsenal and all the pundits after the game pointed in the same direction and Ozil wasn't the scapegoat there but his attitude does epitomise the issue. Henry was right, Arsenal have become too comfortable.
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Yeah but why does he epitomise the issue, rather than anyone else in particular? He's in a team full of players who are too comfortable.
 
Has anyone posted a link to Arsenal TV yet?
 
mccity said:
Yeah but why does he epitomise the issue, rather than anyone else in particular? He's in a team full of players who are too comfortable.
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He's the most passive player in that team, rarely see him attempt a tackle, I wonder if he's even received a booking for a foul, does he even sprint? Everything he does looks like it is at a leisurely pace. He's not the only one but he stands out the most. Ramsey isn't far behind, Bellerin barely gets stuck in but will still chase down everything. Xhaka seems only good for a yellow card, Coquelin is limited as a footballer, Welbeck has no final product, i could go on and on slating their team but the biggest issue is a Weak mentality ( assisted by that comfortable atmosphere ) right throughout this team and you'd expect a World Cup Winner to be the opposite of that but nope, that is why someone like Ozil stands out. I'm actually going to watch every tackle attempt he makes next time Arsenal play and I'm confident it doesn't go above 2 even after an embarrassing hammering like today's
 
jimharri said:
I like DT; there's no bullshit with him. He says it as he sees it. Similarly with Claude. Hard to take Ty seriously with those headphones; they're bigger than him, for fuck's sake. Troopz? Well; he's a bloody alien, isn't he? Some weird dialect.
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If that's the case, shouldn't he be a rag?

;-)
 
Yates said:
He's the most passive player in that team, rarely see him attempt a tackle, I wonder if he's even received a booking for a foul, does he even sprint? Everything he does looks like it is at a leisurely pace. He's not the only one but he stands out the most. Ramsey isn't far behind, Bellerin barely gets stuck in but will still chase down everything. Xhaka seems only good for a yellow card, Coquelin is limited as a footballer, Welbeck has no final product, i could go on and on slating their team but the biggest issue is a Weak mentality ( assisted by that comfortable atmosphere ) right throughout this team and you'd expect a World Cup Winner to be the opposite of that but nope, that is why someone like Ozil stands out. I'm actually going to watch every tackle attempt he makes next time Arsenal play and I'm confident it doesn't go above 2 even after an embarrassing hammering like today's
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Exactly, that's the entire basis of my original thought; but is that fair? Does he really warrant that higher level of criticism because he's a reputedly better player?

It's the entire reason why he's the scapegoat. Our expectations of him are inaccurate and clearly by this point unrealistic.

I don't doubt his lack of effort is anywhere near acceptable. But then I realise how the media and public opinion work, and how they've unfairly targeted players of our own like Sterling, Stones, Hart, Bravo etc. And then how it destroys their confidence, which negatively affects their performances and it subsequently perpetuates the stereotypes attributed to them. Which in turn dooms the cycle to continue.

I see that with Ozil, remember he got vocally upset at the level of criticism he got. So it's clearly got to him. Playing for Wenger's Arsenal can't help.
I personally just don't want to be part of the cabal that unnecessarily destroys players. He's not at fault, be he doesn't deserve to be the poster boy of Arsenal's failings.
 
mccity said:
Exactly, that's the entire basis of my original thought; but is that fair? Does he really warrant that higher level of criticism because he's a reputedly better player?

It's the entire reason why he's the scapegoat. Our expectations of him are inaccurate and clearly by this point unrealistic.

I don't doubt his lack of effort is anywhere near acceptable. But then I realise how the media and public opinion work, and how they've unfairly targeted players of our own like Sterling, Stones, Hart, Bravo etc. And then how it destroys their confidence, which negatively affects their performances and it subsequently perpetuates the stereotypes attributed to them. Which in turn dooms the cycle to continue.

I see that with Ozil, remember he got vocally upset at the level of criticism he got. So it's clearly got to him. Playing for Wenger's Arsenal can't help.
I personally just don't want to be part of the cabal that unnecessarily destroys players. He's not at fault, be he doesn't deserve to be the poster boy of Arsenal's failings.
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None of that detracts from him being weak and passive and I'm not sure what standard I have to hold someone at to expect a bit of fight from them. Remember his performance against us last season? I'd never want that in my team. Ozil could be so much better if he actually had a bit of fight in him. Want to know a winner? Someone who uses criticism as fuel to improve and prove people wrong, Ozil hasn't done that. I've seen Sterling and Stones show desire to prove people wrong though. Aspects of the media always go over the top but it isn't a lie when people say Ozil is mentally weak. If you want me to list the rest of the weak Arsenal players so Ozil isn't "scapegoated" or feels bad then I will.
 
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