Arsenal fans celebrations.....

[Skashion]

Your ticket prices are low for two reasons. Firstly you'd struggle to fill your ground if they reached the painful levels we have to put up with. Secondly you don't rely on football income to fund your team. 90 out of 92 professional clubs, from Barnet to Arsenal and Bury to Manure, in this country do.

The reason you are part responsible for price inflation is that you have driven wages up. That has a trickle down effect which affects all clubs.

Its not only City. Its Chelski, its PSG and its the insanity at Real Madrid where tax payers ultimately bail out the club while others go to the wall.

Its not your fault the Sheikh picked you instead of Everton,West Ham or Wolves and I don't blame you for enjoying it, but for a set of fans who have seen as much shit as yours you lot are surprisingly blind to realities.

Are you really bragging about how southerners earn more, so can pay more for football as if that makes you better fans? Wow. Secondly, 90 clubs? Completely shocking ignorance. How did the likes of Fulham and Wigan get in the Premier League? Rich owners in football goes back to the very very start of football. It's not a new phenomenon. Your own club, finishing 5th, almost certainly got promoted through the bribery of Norris - who was not short of a quid or two.

Problem for this argument is that we are but one club in dozens that compete in the Champions League and all have to pay top wages. Even if a team cannot field a team of superstars, most Champions League teams can afford to pay top wages to at least one player. As long as football is a game of many players and many teams, high wages will persist due to the basic laws of supply and demand.

You're blind to logic mate, oh, and your own history and that of football in general.

 

[bluecarlos61]

Sorry to correct you here, but we have won the Premier League 3 times.

You have a point about the inequality in finance, but that goes back a lot further than the Premier League. There used to be the self styled big 5 (Liverpool, Everton, United,Spurs and Arsenal). Those clubs were wealthier than the rest for a variety of reasons, but not to the extent that clubs like Forest,West Ham,Derby or Villa couldn't build competitive teams.

Even though I support one of the original big clubs I think the Premiership and Sky have done more bad than good for the English game as a whole.

What I can't understand is when City or Chelski fans use it as a moral justification for what they have done since their respective takeovers. Mansour and Abramovich have made it even more of an impossibility for the majority of clubs to enjoy any degree of success.

The emergence of City and Chelski hasn't really hurt United or Arsenal. United still win stuff and we are still up there. What the Arab and the Russian did kill is any remaining aspirations the rest of the clubs in the league had. They have also caused wage inflation which has been fed down into ticket prices at the expense of all football fans.

But it was OK for you to do it when you were one of the wealthy clubs I suppose?

Dickhead

I might be a dickhead, but at least I understand basic economics. We generate more money than any club in the country bar United. That suggests we are one of the wealthy clubs by the definition used by any business in the world.[/quote

So tell me then how does your £50 million investment in the 90's, handily right at the start of the Premier League money go round, differ from us getting our investment in 2008?
That basic enough for you?

Heres another. Where does all that money go then? Not on players, not on salaries apparently, yes you have a mortgage to pay, Manyooo have their debts to service but your boards are taking tens of millions out of the game, whereas ours are putting hundreds of millions in.

My basic economics say you're the dickheads for putting up with it.

Dickhead]

 

[gooner6729]

Some Arsenal fans I met yesterday were absolute cunts and nothing but. Some were thoroughly decent. When we were shit though, I thought they were all decent. The attitude of a hefty section of Arsenal fans towards us has changed for the worse over the past four years and there's one reason and one reason only. Not that I blame Arsenal fans for that. I'd said before, Arsenal, Liverpool, Villa, Everton etc. all have reasons to dislike us. Football is tribal and they're looking out for the best interests of their club. Doesn't absolve some people of their cunty behaviour though. What do they expect - that we should stop following our club that we followed in record numbers in the third flight?

no, but a bit of humility wouldn't harm a few of you

 

[jimharri]

Some Arsenal fans I met yesterday were absolute cunts and nothing but. Some were thoroughly decent. When we were shit though, I thought they were all decent. The attitude of a hefty section of Arsenal fans towards us has changed for the worse over the past four years and there's one reason and one reason only. Not that I blame Arsenal fans for that. I'd said before, Arsenal, Liverpool, Villa, Everton etc. all have reasons to dislike us. Football is tribal and they're looking out for the best interests of their club. Doesn't absolve some people of their cunty behaviour though. What do they expect - that we should stop following our club that we followed in record numbers in the third flight?

no, but a bit of humility wouldn't harm a few of you

Try listening to your own advice.

 

[Skashion]

no, but a bit of humility wouldn't harm a few of you

Right back at you: "Rich club, no history". My arse.

 

[squirtyflower]

Some Arsenal fans I met yesterday were absolute cunts and nothing but. Some were thoroughly decent. When we were shit though, I thought they were all decent. The attitude of a hefty section of Arsenal fans towards us has changed for the worse over the past four years and there's one reason and one reason only. Not that I blame Arsenal fans for that. I'd said before, Arsenal, Liverpool, Villa, Everton etc. all have reasons to dislike us. Football is tribal and they're looking out for the best interests of their club. Doesn't absolve some people of their cunty behaviour though. What do they expect - that we should stop following our club that we followed in record numbers in the third flight?

no, but a bit of humility wouldn't harm a few of you

bit rich coming from someone who has spent the last two hours post condescending shit on another team's forum
you wouldn't know humility if it bit you on the Arse

 

[jimharri]

Some Arsenal fans I met yesterday were absolute cunts and nothing but. Some were thoroughly decent. When we were shit though, I thought they were all decent. The attitude of a hefty section of Arsenal fans towards us has changed for the worse over the past four years and there's one reason and one reason only. Not that I blame Arsenal fans for that. I'd said before, Arsenal, Liverpool, Villa, Everton etc. all have reasons to dislike us. Football is tribal and they're looking out for the best interests of their club. Doesn't absolve some people of their cunty behaviour though. What do they expect - that we should stop following our club that we followed in record numbers in the third flight?

no, but a bit of humility wouldn't harm a few of you

bit rich coming from someone who has spent the last two hours post condescending shit on another team's forum
you wouldn't know humility if it bit you on the Arse

When are the mods going to act on this twat? He comes on a City forum as a guest and has spent all afternoon having a pop at us.

 

[mancunial]

I think any City fan who has been around for a while would tell you they have always been treated in a friendly and respectful manner bu their Gooner counterpartso.

Yes, when we were that hopelessly average club who always guaranteed you an easy match each year. Now your fans are amongst the most bitter towards us. Go on your message boards or look at some of the stuff on Twitter - even United fans post less obscene things as your lot do.

That includes in recent days one of your following wishing a plane crash on Kompany and the team.

Not to mention the relentless attacks on Nasri, including death threats.

And now Clichy is getting it despite his harmonious exit from Arsenal.

It's OK when Arsenal signs a player - they aren't betraying their club - but when a good player leaves Arsenal they're a money hungry mercenary... Hleb and Flamini are two others who got abuse.

The only player who got abuse that overstepped the mark for leaving Arsenal was Ashley Cole. The way he left was disgraceful, but it didn't justify the attacks on his home and family that followed.

Out of the players who have left us for City over the years the majority have been treated well whenever they returned. That went from lesser lights like Dickov to AFC heroes like Seaman.

More recently Kolo has always got a very friendly reception. Clichy hasn't put up with any abuse. Nasri has been booed, but taken nothing like the levels of abuse Cole got at Arsenal, Campbell at Spurs or Lampard at West Ham.

That leaves the Adebayor celebration incident. You have probably worked out yourselves by now that the man is a twat. No set of fans anywhere in the country would have reacted any differently to the way he behaved there.

give over gooner I was a close as I could be to your lot that day, the abuse you gave adebayor was a disgrace bordering on racism singing about his family then when he gave you a bit back you gave the old hold me back routine hurting a female steward in the process, then we have watmore on talksport straight after the game giving it he will be banned for his celebration just in time for the Atkinson derby. What right had he to condemn the lad before the hearing, then you had RVP making a statement on match of the day sending a message too the fa, the bitterness and hypocrisy was excessive

 

[Mark - TheBlue]

Are we still going to win the league before Arsenal in the next few seasons? Are we still going to have a better team than Arsenal next year? ............

 

[gooner6729]

But it was OK for you to do it when you were one of the wealthy clubs I suppose?

Dickhead

I might be a dickhead, but at least I understand basic economics. We generate more money than any club in the country bar United. That suggests we are one of the wealthy clubs by the definition used by any business in the world.[/quote

So tell me then how does your £50 million investment in the 90's, handily right at the start of the Premier League money go round, differ from us getting our investment in 2008?
That basic enough for you?

Heres another. Where does all that money go then? Not on players, not on salaries apparently, yes you have a mortgage to pay, Manyooo have their debts to service but your boards are taking tens of millions out of the game, whereas ours are putting hundreds of millions in.

My basic economics say you're the dickheads for putting up with it.

Dickhead]

The Fiszman investment in the early Premiership years to fund Bergkamp and Platt was completely different. First of all we were already champions the year before the Premiership started. Secondly his investment was returned to him many times over. That ain't going to happen in your or Chelski's case.

You are right about our owners and the Glazers in Salford. A bloodsucking cancer on the game is what those people are. The even uglier other side to the foreign ownership coin the Sheikh and Abramovich are.

Bottom line is foreign club ownership has harmed English football. For proof look at the German Bundesliga. They do not allow foreign ownership regardless of whether they are of the sugar daddy or bloodsucker variety.

The results?

Their league has the highest average gates in Europe. Ticket prices are affordable. They have terraces filled with the type of young fans we have priced out. Their clubs live within their means and are not dragged down by excessive debt. The atmosphere still resembles a football atmosphere. Their clubs produce more talent than ours. Certain clubs (Bayern) are more successful than others, but its a far more open and interesting league than ours.