Arsenal Post Match Thread.

The main thing we lack throughout the team is a physicality/reluctance to actually engage in the personal battles.

Even when we tackle, it's always with an attempt to nick-it, and counter, rather than taking the percentages completely out of the equation, clearing it out of play and giving the defence a time to actually fill back in.

Don't get me started on our throw-ins again - three times yesterday we even managed to throw the ball out of play.

Pep's mantra will always be if the opposition doesn't have the ball, then they can't hurt you.

But the same must also apply that always trying to keep the ball in play, reduces the margins for error when you can't keep it.

I'll say it again, it won't matter who the defenders are when you play as high a line as we do. It was the same under Pellegrini, it exposes any player.

We either now buy two world class sitters who also have the technical out ball of a Yaya, or we have to defend five yards further back and mix it up a bit more.

Our forwards can beat any team in the world in a foot race, shown by Sane yesterday.

It wouldn't hurt once in a while to by-pass the midfield and try and hit over the top.

I was screaming for us to do this. One reason, was to quiet thier crowd. All crowds like forwards chasing down defenders and we gave their crowd the excuse to get behind their team when there was a great opportunity by wasting time and playing in their half to get their crowd doing what they do best. BOO
 
I was screaming for us to do this. One reason, was to quiet thier crowd. All crowds like forwards chasing down defenders and we gave their crowd the excuse to get behind their team when there was a great opportunity by wasting time and playing in their half to get their crowd doing what they do best. BOO

We by-passed the midfield at home to Barcelona, invited then on and then countered, that kinda worked out okay...

If Pep wants us to share the same footballing principles as his Barca teams, then he also knows the Kryptonite to defeat it, as that result showed.

Problem is, everyone else seems to know the recipe and Pep needs to tweak the ingredients now.

What worked before, doesn't mean you can't improve it.
 
I felt exactly the same watching that game. What was even more disconcerting for me was that Monaco made us look in the first half of the 2nd leg like Barcelona made PSG look.

The key is midfield control. More and more and more I'm coming to the conclusion that as good as they can look there, neither Silva nor KDB long term should be playing in the number 8 roll. Certainly not together. They are both excellent when the wind is behind them, but as soon as they face physical/mental adversity in the centre and they need to show some bollocks, the pair of them wilt.


I think this is one of the issues we have. If Gundogan was fit I don't think we'd see Dave and Kev on the pitch together.
 
Could not agree more. Zaba will give everything. Not sure I could trust some of the others who will be leaving. Setting that aside, we need a defence that demoralises the opposition, rather than encourage 'em as our defence tends to.
Good point every team in the world fancies they can score at least one goal against us and since we are rarely more than one goal ahead this has been a major shortcoming this season.
 


My Pet hate this season.

West Ham at home - asleep on the back post.

Everton - go on Romelu - I'll welch out of a challenge on the halfway line and show one of the most prolific strikers around into our penalty area on to his favoured foot -

Everton away - go on then, I'll personally gift you three of your four goals by playing all over the shop.

Liverpool, I'll be too slow to get out, slip, then tackle from the wrong side and gift a penalty.

Arsenal, I'll be too slow to get out again, I'll make some half-arsed attempt to tackle and hey presto -
 
I still cannot understand why Navas is playing in defence. Forget aging defenders, forget injuries. Wtf was Navas doing at right back ? Yes he's a grafter but that's about it, he's not a defender.

For me this was an experiment gone too far.
He was there because of doubts about the form and fitness of the two regulars and because the manager believed rightly as it turned out that Navas represented a
better option than Fernandinho to stifle Sanchez. Navas can be well pleased with his performance not that I expect to see him in that position moving forward.
 
4 transitional seasons on the bounce- is it some sort of premier league record ?
We're not improving at all, look clueless to me & no idea what our style of play is .
Change all the players & we'll be fine ...I'm told.
 
Under Mancini, we would have won that 5-1. First time Pep has arrived at a team which needs attention and he's looking lost. I don't disagree with his philosophy, but our results against the top teams prove that, in our league, you need to defend well and just trying to keep the ball is not enough. Pep must learn or....go.
Pep out? Has the movement started?
 
I think this is one of the issues we have. If Gundogan was fit I don't think we'd see Dave and Kev on the pitch together.

Gundogan won't solve the issue, he's not quick enough.

He'll give you the out ball but he's not able to screen.

The dynamic actually changed once Sane found his legs. The set-up was already starting to strain trying to accommodate all the players.

Sterling was able to switch to the other flank but once Sane showed what he could do, it meant Pep had to stay with KDB and Silva in the centre.

The conundrum is the right hand flank, as Sterling and KDB both bring their quality in different ways.

Both are flakes.
 
Found out? Please explain! With a squad that has under performed for a number of seasons he has over achieved with it this season, do you really believe that with any other manager we would be in a better place? With the previous manager we would be in serious trouble and not looking forward to a FAC semi
This is the same defence (ok it's aged) that we had under Mancini or close to it.... he made it work... Pep doesn't make defending a priority and other teams know this... therefore I'd say that Pep and the team under his guidance have been found out....

You can argue Pep doesn't have Vinnie but he does doesn't he?!?
 
It was surreal to watch. Genuinely.


Sadly, yes.

It wouldn't have required moving in to top gear yesterday, but third or fourth would still have been enough to win that game.

Sane was the only guy who maintained any type of willingness to go at them.

I do think our younger guys still feel a little intimidated by the older rank and file in the squad, though?

I shudder to think what will happen on Wednesday if we don't match Chelsea for effort and intensity, never mind competency defending the set-pieces.
 
We're not improving at all, look clueless to me & no idea what our style of play is .
Change all the players & we'll be fine ...I'm told.
We have improved I think but not very much and it really is up in the air at present if we can improve enough to win the league next season.
We all agree that at least 5 and perhaps as many as 8 changes to the squad are required. Clearly the main focus of attention will be the defence but
central midfield requires a serious look as well. Also as it appears that Vincent's days are numbered we need a new leader as we have been sadly lacking
in leadership capacity this season. It was always going to take time to transition so Pep deserves and will be given more time by the owners and most supporters
to solve the puzzle. However, if we are in the same position next April as now hard questions will most likely be asked.
 
Zabaleta wasnt fit to start and would have been targeted by sanchez. Navas played quite well i thought. We should have kept maffeo.
Clichy is completely past it defensively, but he has more pace than kolarov which is why he played.
People say he keeps playing players in shit form but its not true. The full bakcs are so shit he has tried everything. Navas, dinho, 3 at the back...
 
This thread is really very pathetic. We played badly, yes, but we still had the chnce to score about 6 or 7. Is that not a positive? Even when we cant pss water, we still could hsve battered them with a bit more luck. Hitting the post, great saves, penalties, red cards... it was bad luck
 
I don't think Pep is the Messiah he was made out to be but he can not be blamed for the lack of basics the players display when crossing the white line.

Look at Yaya for example, he trotted on never broke a sweat and spent the first ten minutes passing to Arsenal. De Bruyne has been dreadful this season and, apart from the odd world class pass, he goes walk about for large portions of the game. Stirling has forgotten how to take his man on and always bottles a 50/50. Silva was innocuous yesterday and his shooting is abysmal - why doesn't he work on it in training?

You need 10 outfield players who put 100% effort in, something we do not have.

The neutral supporters must love our team though as you always get goalmouth action at both ends and 0-0 draws are few and far between.
Just a general notice
WHO THE FUCK IS STIRLING?
e and i are nowhere near each other on the keyboard
It shows a complete childish lack of respect and the same goes for "kolorov" or "cliche"
once is an accident but the same posters do it over and over and its getting very boring
 
Gundogan won't solve the issue, he's not quick enough.

He'll give you the out ball but he's not able to screen.

The dynamic actually changed once Sane found his legs. The set-up was already starting to strain trying to accommodate all the players.

Sterling was able to switch to the other flank but once Sane showed what he could do, it meant Pep had to stay with KDB and Silva in the centre.

The conundrum is the right hand flank, as Sterling and KDB both bring their quality in different ways.

Both are flakes.
Not sure you cn question sterlings mental strength mate, his figure can make it seem like hes bottling challenges but i lost count of how many times he made a good run and didnt get the ball
 

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