Arsenal thread 2011/12

[Arshavin23]

Re: Wenger : the fiasco ?

Wenger is more than a manager that just comes, wins some trophies then goes. He is a club legend that changed everything about Arsenal, and set us up for the future. What he did with our attacking style and academy is comparable to what Cruyff did with Barcelona and La Masia. Decades from now when generation after generation of top players comes through we will never forget what Arsene Wenger did for us.

And then everyone seems to forget how he went an entire season in the league unbeaten, was the first foreign manager to win the double, and took us to a champions league final only 4 years ago.

The debt from the new stadium would have crushed any other manager in the world. The man u fans and spuds didn't call it 'Cashburden Grave' for no reason, but now we are the ones fighting it out for the title while Liverpool and Portsmouth are living proof of what happens when you spend more than what you have.

I know a lot of people on this forum have a 5 year memory span, but what Wenger did for Arsenal will last forever.

 

[The Shrike]

Re: Wenger : the fiasco ?

Interesting comments.

For me, Wenger's achievement in keeping us in CL football while building and partly paying off the new stadium is little short of a miracle.

For all those talking about Arsenal's big transfer spend, from the 2004-05 season to date, the club have a remarkable net spend of minus £16.6 million, providing a profit of just over £3m a year.

This is the lowest spend of players purchased minus players sold of all 20 clubs in this season's Premier League.

And IMO there is simply no underestimating this achievement.

What I would question with Wenger is whether winning trophies remains his absolute imperative. Sure, he wants to win, but I wonder whether he ranks his legacy in leaving the club with the most solid, self-sustainable foundation, and his obsession with building, rather than buying success as even more important?

 

[GStar]

Re: Wenger : the fiasco ?

What I would question with Wenger is whether winning trophies remains his absolute imperative. Sure, he wants to win, but I wonder whether he ranks his legacy in leaving the club with the most solid, self-sustainable foundation, and his obsession with building, rather than buying success as even more important?

Think you've htit he crux of the matter on the head there.

 

[pee dubya]

Re: Wenger : the fiasco ?

I have very mixed feelings about Wenger, can't help admiring the way he builds a team, sticks to his principles, get's them playing great football. But on the other hand he's a moany woman, so are his players, and he is the epitomy of hypocrisy.

Either, way i'd like us to become one of the most successful clubs in the country by beating the other teams at their strongest (except united, they can crash and burn), so i don't mind seeing them do ok. Same as i'd quite like Liverpool to recover, so we can beat them properly.

How much longer will Wenger last though? The transition from such a very long-term manager to a new guy will always be a tricky period. Promoting from within never really seems to work. No doubting Wenger does an amazing job, will Arsenal be in a financial situation once he goes where they can hire a manager who could get away with doing a less amazing job and achieve the same/better results? Perhaps that's the idea and why they aren't really pushing as hard as they can now.

I actually think we're doing a similar thing with Mancini, he's been brought in to bridge that gap and push us into the top group of teams, and also to create a long-term culture within the club of being successful. I don't really see him as a long-term manager though, he'll go back to Italy after a few seasons i think (with an enhanced reputation, if he's successful), leaving behind a club ready made for a new guy to come and focus on football and maintain results, rather than dealing with all the shit we're currently going through trying to make that transition.

 

[Breadsnapper]

Re: Wenger : the fiasco ?

Even if/when arsenal have the money to spend I don't think it is in Wenger's nature. He is also a stubborn old fool in that sometimes you have to set your principles to one side to acheive a greater good(trophies). The ideology that the perfect game has to be played no matter what is somewhat outdated.
IMO he doesn't have a clue when it comes to spending big money, at present he can hide behind his idea of football and having no money. He won't be able to hide in the future if they have money to spend.
I think he will walk before that, wanting to be remembered for something he is clearly not a great manager.

 

[vincent]

Re: Wenger : the fiasco ?

Interesting comments.

For me, Wenger's achievement in keeping us in CL football while building and partly paying off the new stadium is little short of a miracle.

For all those talking about Arsenal's big transfer spend, from the 2004-05 season to date, the club have a remarkable net spend of minus £16.6 million, providing a profit of just over £3m a year.

This is the lowest spend of players purchased minus players sold of all 20 clubs in this season's Premier League.

And IMO there is simply no underestimating this achievement.

What I would question with Wenger is whether winning trophies remains his absolute imperative. Sure, he wants to win, but I wonder whether he ranks his legacy in leaving the club with the most solid, self-sustainable foundation, and his obsession with building, rather than buying success as even more important?

I agree with you. But it will not be long before your fans are back on 5live calling for his head becasue you have failed to win anything again.

 

[simon23]

Re: Wenger : the fiasco ?

wenger gets the respect he does (and rightly so) becaue of the style of football that arsenal play regardless of peronnel on the pitch.

He loses respect due to some of his comments...especailly regarding dodgy decisions that "he never sees"......if only he would just openly admit sometimes that he or his players are in the wrong (as happens with every club/player).....

i wish RM would play with the style wenger does

having sid that we more than matched arsenal fo 85mins with 10men

 

[el blue]

Re: Wenger : the fiasco ?

What he did with our attacking style and academy is comparable to what Cruyff did with Barcelona

aaaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha no.
Come back when he's won you 4 back to back titles and a European Cup.

 

[Arshavin23]

Re: Wenger : the fiasco ?

What he did with our attacking style and academy is comparable to what Cruyff did with Barcelona

aaaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha no.
Come back when he's won you 4 back to back titles and a European Cup.

Wow. It's comments like these....

Seriously, do you even know when Cruyff was at Barca (hint: a very long time ago)? Or how from 2000-2005 they won sweet fuck all, even dropping to 6th place at times? When Cruyff revamped their playing style and academy, it took DECADES for the first big talents to go through (Pep Guardiola, for one), and it was only relatively recently that they had their golden generation in Xavi/Iniesta/Reina then Cesc and so on.

Wenger has only been at Arsenal for around 14 years. Ashley Cole was the only notable talent that came through other than Wilshere, but this coming generation will do some great things. Barca actually tried (and failed) to poach two of our best academy kids last year (Aneke and Afobe), inviting them to train with Barca before they signed their pro deals. Funny how things have a way of turning out.

 

[Fabianski]

Re: Wenger : the fiasco ?

Fabianski says Wenger is one of the very best