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Arsenal Thread 2013/14
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mcmanus
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BBC 1 now.
Jumanji said:BBC1 time, Goonie.
I sit through it. you deserved it and be good lesson make sure we don,t defend like this in big one vs chelsea next week
City Raider said:AwayDay said:City Raider said:judging by the social media i'm reading, a lot of arsenal fans have their heads stuck firmly in the sand after today
understandable i suppose that delusion is a preferable option to the realisation that you've seen it all before and £40m has been spent in an area you didn't need to strengthen - ozil is a vanity signing
nothing has changed with arsenal
I havent seen this for at least 5 years to be fair, top after 15 games. Usually we are 5th-7th at this stage of the season.
what about £40m on ozil? Great player on his day but today his signing effectively led to Cazorla on the bench?! One of your best players.
It doesn't make sense, especially when you need goals later in the game and can only call on bentdner to replace giroud?
As I say, vanity signing.
If its vanity that's taken us from 4th place strugglers to league leaders, then more vanity please.
Ozil's value is more psychological right now, it has made other players believe and that is why we are where we are, rather than where we used to be before we signed him.
At the emirates the atmosphere is different, it used to be poisonous, now people are happy , just one signing has lifted everyone, I had been saying for a couple of years that we needed a big name just to turn the fans around if not the players.
Henry on match of the day, that thunderbolt against city in 2004, sublime. Those were the days.<br /><br />-- Sat Dec 14, 2013 11:31 pm --<br /><br />
Bilboblue said:Blue Tooth said:prestonibbo_mcfc said:Looked dangerous at 3 - 2. Now if I remember rightly, that lasted all of 2/3 minutes.
Whilst it was 3-2 and they had a little spell, it really should have been 5 or 6 by that point. Don't kid yourselves Gooners. You were bossed today.
This City team is only going to get better.
Should have been 4 by half time, Negredo could have had a hat-trick in that first half.
Cannot believe the amount of gooners thinking they deserved something from the game !
We didnt deserve anything, we got battered.
Ok, now the dust has started to settle, ill throw an honest assessment of Arsenal and see if you guys (City & Gunners fans) agree.
For me, the main problem is at striker. For the way we play, Giroud just isn't good enough. The lad is decent at holding the ball up, decent at bringing others into the game, but has shortcomings....namely his lack of pace.
There's no worry for the opposition of him running in behind, so the can squeeze the game up, thus negating space for the 3 in behind him. He doesn't stretch defences, his play is mostly in front of the defence. Because of this they rely on midfield runners like Ramsey, which can leave gaps in your midfield as you ruthlessly exposed today
Ozil has been criticised but his game has never been about dominating opposition. His game is about finding runners with a slide rule pass and he doesn't have enough at Arsenal. Hopefully from our point of view Walcott will help with this somewhat but It doesn't take away the striker problem.
In an ideal world Arsenal get a striker like Drogba, who has the physique and the pace and power, but of ourselves they are few and far between.
Add to this the problem we have playing Wilshere on the wings. Doesn't work in big games who have proper attacking full backs. He hates tracking back and the full backs get too exposed. It happens time and time again. Then when he gets the ball out wide he's in an area where he isn't comfortable to be. Get a proper wide man in there that is used to tracking back!
Of course, this isn't our only problems, but solving these issues would be priority for me, before talking about an upgrade on Flamini etc.
For me, the main problem is at striker. For the way we play, Giroud just isn't good enough. The lad is decent at holding the ball up, decent at bringing others into the game, but has shortcomings....namely his lack of pace.
There's no worry for the opposition of him running in behind, so the can squeeze the game up, thus negating space for the 3 in behind him. He doesn't stretch defences, his play is mostly in front of the defence. Because of this they rely on midfield runners like Ramsey, which can leave gaps in your midfield as you ruthlessly exposed today
Ozil has been criticised but his game has never been about dominating opposition. His game is about finding runners with a slide rule pass and he doesn't have enough at Arsenal. Hopefully from our point of view Walcott will help with this somewhat but It doesn't take away the striker problem.
In an ideal world Arsenal get a striker like Drogba, who has the physique and the pace and power, but of ourselves they are few and far between.
Add to this the problem we have playing Wilshere on the wings. Doesn't work in big games who have proper attacking full backs. He hates tracking back and the full backs get too exposed. It happens time and time again. Then when he gets the ball out wide he's in an area where he isn't comfortable to be. Get a proper wide man in there that is used to tracking back!
Of course, this isn't our only problems, but solving these issues would be priority for me, before talking about an upgrade on Flamini etc.
GunnerGer said:Ok, now the dust has started to settle, ill throw an honest assessment of of Arsenal and see if you guys (City & Gunners fans) agree.
For me, the main problem is at striker. For the way we play, Giroud just isn't good enough. The lad is decent at holding the ball up, decent at bringing others into the game, but has shortcomings....namely his lack of pace.
There's no worry for the opposition of him running in behind, so the can squeeze the game up, thus negating space for the 3 in behind him. He doesn't stretch defences, his play is mostly in front of the defence. Because of this they rely on midfield runners like Ramsey, which can leave gaps in your midfield as you ruthlessly exposed today
Ozil has been criticised but his game has never been about dominating opposition. His game is about finding runners with a slide rule pass and he doesn't have enough at Arsenal. Hopefully from our point of view Walcott will help with this somewhat but It doesn't take away the striker problem.
In an ideal world Arsenal get a striker like Drogba, who has the physique and the pace and power, but of ourselves they are few and far between.
Add to this the problem we have playing Wilshere on the wings. Doesn't work in big games who have proper attacking full backs. He hates tracking back and the full backs get too exposed. It happens time and time again. Then when he gets the ball out wide he's in an area where he isn't comfortable to be. Get a proper wide man in there that is used to tracking back!
Of course, this isn't our only problems, but solving these issues would be priority for me, before talking about an upgrade on Flamini etc.
I don,t think scoring our issue. 33 goals this season tell us that. I think though we might need come for per and lauren in janaury and maybe paddy type defensive midfielder in case we lose flammi and areteta to injuries.
If we do that then we be ok.
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AwayDay said:City Raider said:AwayDay said:I havent seen this for at least 5 years to be fair, top after 15 games. Usually we are 5th-7th at this stage of the season.
what about £40m on ozil? Great player on his day but today his signing effectively led to Cazorla on the bench?! One of your best players.
It doesn't make sense, especially when you need goals later in the game and can only call on bentdner to replace giroud?
As I say, vanity signing.
If its vanity that's taken us from 4th place strugglers to league leaders, then more vanity please.
Ozil's value is more psychological right now, it has made other players believe and that is why we are where we are, rather than where we used to be before we signed him.
At the emirates the atmosphere is different, it used to be poisonous, now people are happy , just one signing has lifted everyone, I had been saying for a couple of years that we needed a big name just to turn the fans around if not the players.
Henry on match of the day, that thunderbolt against city in 2004, sublime. Those were the days.
-- Sat Dec 14, 2013 11:31 pm --
Bilboblue said:Blue Tooth said:Whilst it was 3-2 and they had a little spell, it really should have been 5 or 6 by that point. Don't kid yourselves Gooners. You were bossed today.
This City team is only going to get better.
Should have been 4 by half time, Negredo could have had a hat-trick in that first half.
Cannot believe the amount of gooners thinking they deserved something from the game !
We didnt deserve anything, we got battered.
well as long as everyone in the stadium is happy! personally i'd be happier if i didn't see bendtner on the bench
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gooner2 said:Jumanji said:BBC1 time, Goonie.
I sit through it. you deserved it and be good lesson make sure we don,t defend like this in big one vs chelsea next week
You repeat more than a burger from a dodgy van.
]City Raider said:AwayDay said:City Raider said:what about £40m on ozil? Great player on his day but today his signing effectively led to Cazorla on the bench?! One of your best players.
It doesn't make sense, especially when you need goals later in the game and can only call on bentdner to replace giroud?
As I say, vanity signing.
If its vanity that's taken us from 4th place strugglers to league leaders, then more vanity please.
Ozil's value is more psychological right now, it has made other players believe and that is why we are where we are, rather than where we used to be before we signed him.
At the emirates the atmosphere is different, it used to be poisonous, now people are happy , just one signing has lifted everyone, I had been saying for a couple of years that we needed a big name just to turn the fans around if not the players.
Henry on match of the day, that thunderbolt against city in 2004, sublime. Those were the days.
-- Sat Dec 14, 2013 11:31 pm --
Bilboblue said:Should have been 4 by half time, Negredo could have had a hat-trick in that first half.
Cannot believe the amount of gooners thinking they deserved something from the game !
We didnt deserve anything, we got battered.
well as long as everyone in the stadium is happy! personally i'd be happier if i didn't see bendtner on the bench
Thought bendtner did well when he came on. scored and got himself about.
But we be even stronger when the ox and pod are back.
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