Arsenal Thread 2014/15

[Manc in London]

You're wrong and what's more you must have your head in the sand.

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And that's just dividends, the major shareholders at Arsenal have been earning huge salaries for doing nothing jobs on the board. Gazidis and Edelman have both been paid seven figure salaries for non existent roles and the expenses they've claimed would put a politician to shame.

Arsenal fans are easily fooled.

 

[afc16]

It was ran very well if the aim was to keep you in the European places whilst still making a profit so your owners could take out a nice slice.
Your owners had no intention of challenging for the Premier League title and I don't think they ever will. As long as they get their pay day and have reasonable success then they are happy.
In my opinion there are only 3 teams in the Prem who are prepared to spend what is required for a genuine shot at the title. Chelsea, the rags and us.
If I was an Arsenal fan, paying the prices that you do, whilst the club has little ambition but to stay on the gravy train, I would be mightily pissed off.
Your club could mount a serious challenge for the title, but it won't. For a club with your resources I think that is shocking.

well yes the aim was to keep us in the cl places whilst making a profit, but to pay the stadium debt rather then owners taking out a nice slice. I'm not HUGELY interested in stuff like that so i might be wrong but i don't recall any story of shareholders taking out massive dividends from the club during that time. there would have been uproar and quite rightly - fans can begrudgingly accept if the money is being used for what it was supposed to be i.e. paying the stadium debt but not if its being used for nice dividends.

i also disagree with your second point, we've spent money last 2 windows. we didn't need to buy £40m players just to stay in the top 4 and if you are so quick to put those buys down to simply a desire to stay in the top 4 rather then challenge for title, i could quite easily say utd spent all that money just to get back in the top 4 rather then to win title. we obviously weren't going to instantly win the title once we came out of the tight period, it was always going to take a few years of building but its getting there. right now we probably need a better gk and a top level striker from being able to challenge for the title.

You're wrong and what's more you must have your head in the sand.

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And that's just dividends, the major shareholders at Arsenal have been earning huge salaries for doing nothing jobs on the board. Gazidis and Edelman have both been paid seven figure salaries for non existent roles and the expenses they've claimed would put a politician to shame.

i know about that one as it was big news but i was talking about during our time of 'austerity' if you like, so from about 2005-2012. during the time when we apparently couldn't compete for top players or even keep our own players. i was suggesting that during this time if our shareholders were talking massive dividends (I'm talking millions) out of the club whilst we are being told we don't have money for players due to stadium debt, there would have been uproar.

i know about the £3m stan took out last year and even then there was some anger amongst fans but that was more because of the nature of how it was done - i remember even wenger having a dig at the owners in one of his press conferences. if the club is spending money and competing and winning trophies, i don't think fans mind/care as much what shareholders are doing. i mean the arabs hardly brought city for your benefit did they? they may have had an interest and might well care about the club now but but i gaurantee the main purpose of this project was so it can be used as a marketing vehicle for their own country/business.

we have to accept now that billionaires don't buy clubs cos they love them, its purely for business reasons either simply making a profit or using it indirectly for marketing. if they take dividends then so be it, as long as its not to the detriment of the most important side of it for fans which is on the field (ala newcastle and ashley who purely operates as a business and to the detriment of the playing side of things).

 

[squirtyflower]

well yes the aim was to keep us in the cl places whilst making a profit, but to pay the stadium debt rather then owners taking out a nice slice. I'm not HUGELY interested in stuff like that so i might be wrong but i don't recall any story of shareholders taking out massive dividends from the club during that time. there would have been uproar and quite rightly - fans can begrudgingly accept if the money is being used for what it was supposed to be i.e. paying the stadium debt but not if its being used for nice dividends.

i also disagree with your second point, we've spent money last 2 windows. we didn't need to buy £40m players just to stay in the top 4 and if you are so quick to put those buys down to simply a desire to stay in the top 4 rather then challenge for title, i could quite easily say utd spent all that money just to get back in the top 4 rather then to win title. we obviously weren't going to instantly win the title once we came out of the tight period, it was always going to take a few years of building but its getting there. right now we probably need a better gk and a top level striker from being able to challenge for the title.

You're wrong and what's more you must have your head in the sand.

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And that's just dividends, the major shareholders at Arsenal have been earning huge salaries for doing nothing jobs on the board. Gazidis and Edelman have both been paid seven figure salaries for non existent roles and the expenses they've claimed would put a politician to shame.

i know about that one as it was big news but i was talking about during our time of 'austerity' if you like, so from about 2005-2012. during the time when we apparently couldn't compete for top players or even keep our own players. i was suggesting that during this time if our shareholders were talking massive dividends (I'm talking millions) out of the club whilst we are being told we don't have money for players due to stadium debt, there would have been uproar.

i know about the £3m stan took out last year and even then there was some anger amongst fans but that was more because of the nature of how it was done - i remember even wenger having a dig at the owners in one of his press conferences. if the club is spending money and competing and winning trophies, i don't think fans mind/care as much what shareholders are doing. i mean the arabs hardly brought city for your benefit did they? they may have had an interest and might well care about the club now but but i gaurantee the main purpose of this project was so it can be used as a marketing vehicle for their own country/business.

we have to accept now that billionaires don't buy clubs cos they love them, its purely for business reasons either simply making a profit or using it indirectly for marketing. if they take dividends then so be it, as long as its not to the detriment of the most important side of it for fans which is on the field (ala newcastle and ashley who purely operates as a business and to the detriment of the playing side of things).

Less of "the Arabs" please

 

[afc16]

I wouldn't agree with that simply based on the fact that those previous seasons has nothing to do with anything now or in the future. All that matters is who are the strongest teams now and really there isn't a huge amount in it between the top 3, the biggest gap is probably from that to utd. So if any other club was to suddenly get brought out and start buying superstars, you and chelsea would be just as vulnerable as us. We may not have finished in the top 2 for a few years but we've also finished in the top 4 for 15 years so if you are going to use any pattern, surely you should use that one of consistency.

I disagree. By extension, do you think that experience is irrelevant?

The fact that you have finished 3rd or 4th in the previous 10 seasons would indicate you are vulnerable if another team threatens the top 4. You have reached a glass ceiling and have not been able to break through it. With the same manager in place I do not see how you can break through it. You need more class. Although as you know, class cannot be purchased.

no, I'm not the one using previous finishes as an indication, i was just saying that if you were going to do that then you also have to use our regular top 4 finsishes as reason to suggest we won't drop out. also we were 1 or 2 before we built the stadium and restricting our buying power, and at the same time chelsea and city came along who could outspend us so naturally having 3 stronger clubs then us was always going to push us down to 3/4.

also any team to do what your predicting would have to come in and be better then both us and utd which i can't really see happening and even if it does, it would then make them the same level as you and chelsea which then also means you'd also be at risk of being pushed down to 3/4 or further?

 

[afc16]

You're wrong and what's more you must have your head in the sand.

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And that's just dividends, the major shareholders at Arsenal have been earning huge salaries for doing nothing jobs on the board. Gazidis and Edelman have both been paid seven figure salaries for non existent roles and the expenses they've claimed would put a politician to shame.

i know about that one as it was big news but i was talking about during our time of 'austerity' if you like, so from about 2005-2012. during the time when we apparently couldn't compete for top players or even keep our own players. i was suggesting that during this time if our shareholders were talking massive dividends (I'm talking millions) out of the club whilst we are being told we don't have money for players due to stadium debt, there would have been uproar.

i know about the £3m stan took out last year and even then there was some anger amongst fans but that was more because of the nature of how it was done - i remember even wenger having a dig at the owners in one of his press conferences. if the club is spending money and competing and winning trophies, i don't think fans mind/care as much what shareholders are doing. i mean the arabs hardly brought city for your benefit did they? they may have had an interest and might well care about the club now but but i gaurantee the main purpose of this project was so it can be used as a marketing vehicle for their own country/business.

we have to accept now that billionaires don't buy clubs cos they love them, its purely for business reasons either simply making a profit or using it indirectly for marketing. if they take dividends then so be it, as long as its not to the detriment of the most important side of it for fans which is on the field (ala newcastle and ashley who purely operates as a business and to the detriment of the playing side of things).

Less of "the Arabs" please

why? genuinley asking because i'm not aware of it being insulting or anything.....im asian myself and its no different to saying the indians or the americans or the aussies....or the brits for that matter....after all the people that brought your club are arabs....

 

[stony]

i know about that one as it was big news but i was talking about during our time of 'austerity' if you like, so from about 2005-2012. during the time when we apparently couldn't compete for top players or even keep our own players. i was suggesting that during this time if our shareholders were talking massive dividends (I'm talking millions) out of the club whilst we are being told we don't have money for players due to stadium debt, there would have been uproar.

i know about the £3m stan took out last year and even then there was some anger amongst fans but that was more because of the nature of how it was done - i remember even wenger having a dig at the owners in one of his press conferences. if the club is spending money and competing and winning trophies, i don't think fans mind/care as much what shareholders are doing. i mean the arabs hardly brought city for your benefit did they? they may have had an interest and might well care about the club now but but i gaurantee the main purpose of this project was so it can be used as a marketing vehicle for their own country/business.

we have to accept now that billionaires don't buy clubs cos they love them, its purely for business reasons either simply making a profit or using it indirectly for marketing. if they take dividends then so be it, as long as its not to the detriment of the most important side of it for fans which is on the field (ala newcastle and ashley who purely operates as a business and to the detriment of the playing side of things).

Less of "the Arabs" please

why? genuinley asking because i'm not aware of it being insulting or anything.....im asian myself and its no different to saying the indians or the americans or the aussies....or the brits for that matter....after all the people that brought your club are arabs....

Would you refer to Spurs owners as 'the jews'?

 

[afc16]

Less of "the Arabs" please

why? genuinley asking because i'm not aware of it being insulting or anything.....im asian myself and its no different to saying the indians or the americans or the aussies....or the brits for that matter....after all the people that brought your club are arabs....

Would you refer to Spurs owners as 'the jews'?

come on thats ridiculous as that is clearly a blanket insult based on a stereotype of all spurs supporters being jews which is obviously not true. are your owners not arabs however? referring to your owners as such is NOT the same or equivalent thing. people from the U.A.E ARE known as arabs/arabic, there is no question of this being racial or stereotypical etc, its simply a fact. These countries are also known as ARAB countries.

You wouldn't refer to arsenal utd liverpool being owned by the americans (if you didn't know their real name)?

"a lot of arabs come to britain every year to escape the searing hot temperatures in dubai during the summer months" - is this not acceptable?

 

[terraloon]

See for me this is where Arsenal supporters just can't see the wood for the trees and I have to applaud the owners for being able to con so many of them

Time after time they talk about not being able to spend yet somehow have built up cash reserves of over £200 million. Ok about 10% of that has to be let in reserve under the terms of their bonds but year after year they went on a PR crusade telling everyone and their daughter how wonderful they were to produce these large profits and what did they do with the money? Quite simply put it in the AFC piggy bank while supporters fell hook line and sinker for the old line that they didn't have funds to compete and lined up to pay the highest ticket prices in the country because they have a shiny new stadium
The real kick in the pants is going to come when someone licks their lips and breaks open Arsenals piggy bank to put the dosh in their piggy bank and I am not talking about a couple of million

I suggest a good read is the bid document produced by KSE and also the point re the cash reserves

 

[Sergi0 Na5r1]

why? genuinley asking because i'm not aware of it being insulting or anything.....im asian myself and its no different to saying the indians or the americans or the aussies....or the brits for that matter....after all the people that brought your club are arabs....

Would you refer to Spurs owners as 'the jews'?

come on thats ridiculous as that is clearly a blanket insult based on a stereotype of all spurs supporters being jews which is obviously not true. are your owners not arabs however? referring to your owners as such is NOT the same or equivalent thing. people from the U.A.E ARE known as arabs/arabic, there is no question of this being racial or stereotypical etc, its simply a fact. These countries are also known as ARAB countries.

You wouldn't refer to arsenal utd liverpool being owned by the americans (if you didn't know their real name)?

"a lot of arabs come to britain every year to escape the searing hot temperatures in dubai during the summer months" - is this not acceptable?

They are actually known as Emirati - i.e their nationality. Rest of your comment is you backtracking the dumb comment. Btw it's not a group/race of people that own our club, we have one owner.

 

[FogBlueInSanFran]

why? genuinley asking because i'm not aware of it being insulting or anything.....im asian myself and its no different to saying the indians or the americans or the aussies....or the brits for that matter....after all the people that brought your club are arabs....

Would you refer to Spurs owners as 'the jews'?

come on thats ridiculous as that is clearly a blanket insult based on a stereotype of all spurs supporters being jews which is obviously not true. are your owners not arabs however? referring to your owners as such is NOT the same or equivalent thing. people from the U.A.E ARE known as arabs/arabic, there is no question of this being racial or stereotypical etc, its simply a fact. These countries are also known as ARAB countries.

You wouldn't refer to arsenal utd liverpool being owned by the americans (if you didn't know their real name)?

"a lot of arabs come to britain every year to escape the searing hot temperatures in dubai during the summer months" - is this not acceptable?

Thing is, you referred to YOUR owners as "owners" and our owners as "Arabs" in your previous post.

No matter. I've learned expect double standards from "Arsenal fans."