'As A City Fan', Would You Like To See Safe Standing Introduced At The Etihad?

[Mad Eyed Screamer]

At grounds with safe standing, ie Germany or Celtic are away fans given any safe standing area? Or are away fans put in seated areas only ? I don't remember seeing pictures with split safe standing areas but there may well be.

Yes in Germany - and they are all at opposite ends of the ground so rival fans are not stood next to each other.
That way, the hooligans that want to congregate next to the away end standing area (in home end seated areas) are easily seen on CCTV and monitored by the police.

 

[Tanzeylee]

100% No.
I was working at a major employer in Liverpool at the time of Hillsborough. Thankfully my close mates at the game were safe, but we all knew someone who didn't make it back.

Fans standing had nothing to do with the Hillsbourgh tragedy, shit policing and cages were the cause

 

[Mad Eyed Screamer]

It's a yes from me but sadly i don't think it will happen. The Hillsborough Support Group have stated their opposition to safe standing
and as it would require an act of Parliament to allow it I don't think any Government would risk upsetting them by allowing safe standing. It's a shame really as the Hillsborough enquiry showed where the blame lies and standing wasn't the cause or to blame.

Incorrect. There was no act of Parliament that said we had to sit down. So one isn't required to allow standing to happen.
It was a Government regulation not legislation that was introduced.
At the time of the Taylor Report it was originally stated all 4 top divisions would be all seated, but after a review (after criticism of the regulation), the then sports minister David Mellor stood up in parliament and simply stated it was be changed to the top two divisions only (and phased in when clubs got promoted etc) - but that is all it would take, a Government review and an announcement in parliament repelling the legislation.

That is why it is not against the law to stand up because there is no law. It is a stadium regulation to remain in your seat, but it is not the law of the land and that is why the rule is unenforceable through the courts (yes of course clubs can ban you) but you can't be taken to court for standing because you haven't broken a law.
A steward can throw you out because they are there to enforce stadium regulations, but a policeman can't throw you out just for standing, because you haven't broken any law.

 

[u2fme2]

100% yes

 

[stonerblue]

The sooner the better.

 

[CrownPointBlue]

Hillsborough......many contributory factors,INCLUDING late arriving,ticketless,pissed up dippers. They then moved on to Hysell,you know,the disaster that's been erased from their 'istree !! There,I've gone and said it.

The experiences of pub landlords in Sheffield & The Peak District are illuminating.

 

[trevorriley]

Has to be the way to go.

Can't understand fans saying no, if safestanding comes in to place it will only be for one stand and lower section so there will be far more areas to choose from if you still want to sit.

It will improve the atmosphere , this will be an area where standing is actually allowed not an area were seats get in the way and t here is the potential of security moaning. Fans that are likely to sing at a game will congregate in the safestand area far more than they would in an area where fans generally stand in seated areas.

Four years ago the etihad hit a low where seated fans spread all around meant the atmosphere was getting worse. Lower SS then started with flags and displays, the 115 section was offered as a relocation for singers, this has picked up the atmosphere considerably. Maybe if you are in level three you can't hear the singing, from lower SS you can.

Safestanding and in particular over in the lower area of the rebuilt NS will be phase two of getting like minded singers together, standing does encourage singing.

It will happen within the next two or three years.

 

[BlueMoonRisin’]

Bring it on. I'm all for standing.

 

[geoff clipp]

Hillsborough......many contributory factors,INCLUDING late arriving,ticketless,pissed up dippers. They then moved on to Hysell,you know,the disaster that's been erased from their 'istree !! There,I've gone and said it.

The experiences of pub landlords in Sheffield & The Peak District are illuminating.

Have you had your head buried in a copy of The Sun for the past 27 years or are you willfully ignoring the findings of the Hillsborough Inquiry?

What an absolute load of shit. Latecomers? What would constitute "late" to you? The situation outside the ground started to unravel at around 2.15pm and was completely out of control by 2.35pm.

Pissed up fans? Please direct me to some footage of these pissed up fans. There's hour upon hour of footage out there and yet nothing to suggest that drunken behaviour had anything to do with it. The best the police could offer up on that front was anecdotal evidence from one woman claiming a drunk fan had taken a piss in her garden.

A jury agreed unanimously that the fans weren't to blame for what happened at Hillsborough. The inquiry found a number of factors contributed to the deaths of 96 people on that day and not one of them matches up with what you've said.

 

[Corky]

Incorrect. There was no act of Parliament that said we had to sit down. So one isn't required to allow standing to happen.
It was a Government regulation not legislation that was introduced.
At the time of the Taylor Report it was originally stated all 4 top divisions would be all seated, but after a review (after criticism of the regulation), the then sports minister David Mellor stood up in parliament and simply stated it was be changed to the top two divisions only (and phased in when clubs got promoted etc) - but that is all it would take, a Government review and an announcement in parliament repelling the legislation.

That is why it is not against the law to stand up because there is no law. It is a stadium regulation to remain in your seat, but it is not the law of the land and that is why the rule is unenforceable through the courts (yes of course clubs can ban you) but you can't be taken to court for standing because you haven't broken a law.
A steward can throw you out because they are there to enforce stadium regulations, but a policeman can't throw you out just for standing, because you haven't broken any law.

There is black and white legislation that applies to our ground, which carries the full weight or the original and renamed act. There would need to be similar legislation to remove it.

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2003/1541/contents/made


The Football Spectators (Seating) (No.2) Order 2003

SCHEDULE 1

PREMISES IN RESPECT OF WHICH A CONDITION IMPOSING REQUIREMENTS AS RESPECTS THE SEATING OF SPECTATORS AT DESIGNATED FOOTBALL MATCHES SHALL BE IMPOSED

(1) Address of the premises (2) Football club of which the premises are the home ground
National Hockey Stadium and Conference Centre

Silbury Boulevard

Central Milton Keynes

MK9 1HA

Wimbledon Football Club

City of Manchester Stadium

Eastlands

Manchester

Manchester City Football Club
SCHEDULE 2

REQUIREMENTS TO BE IMPOSED

1. Only seated accommodation shall be provided for spectators at a designated football match.

2. Spectators shall only be admitted to watch a designated football match from seated accommodation.