Thanks, that seems sensible, Sounds like the North stand would be the best option then and the away fans can stay in the South stand. It would be a good time for us if we are extending to move people when the new stand opens, otherwise we'll be moving fans around twice. Even if safe standing isnt allowed by then we could move the singing section ready for when it is.Yes in Germany - and they are all at opposite ends of the ground so rival fans are not stood next to each other.
That way, the hooligans that want to congregate next to the away end standing area (in home end seated areas) are easily seen on CCTV and monitored by the police.
Seated accommodation shall be provided. Doesn't say fans have to sit.There is black and white legislation that applies to our ground, which carries the full weight or the original and renamed act. There would need to be similar legislation to remove it.
http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2003/1541/contents/made
The Football Spectators (Seating) (No.2) Order 2003
SCHEDULE 1
PREMISES IN RESPECT OF WHICH A CONDITION IMPOSING REQUIREMENTS AS RESPECTS THE SEATING OF SPECTATORS AT DESIGNATED FOOTBALL MATCHES SHALL BE IMPOSED
(1) Address of the premises (2) Football club of which the premises are the home ground
National Hockey Stadium and Conference Centre
Silbury Boulevard
Central Milton Keynes
MK9 1HA
Wimbledon Football Club
City of Manchester Stadium
Eastlands
Manchester
Manchester City Football Club
SCHEDULE 2
REQUIREMENTS TO BE IMPOSED
1. Only seated accommodation shall be provided for spectators at a designated football match.
2. Spectators shall only be admitted to watch a designated football match from seated accommodation.
But it does suggest that we can't provide 'non seated' accomodationSeated accommodation shall be provided. Doesn't say fans have to sit.
The words you have produced are, in effect, meaningless.
Safe standing areas are seated areas. There are seats thereBut it does suggest that we can't provide 'non seated' accomodation
Seated accommodation shall be provided. Doesn't say fans have to sit.
The words you have produced are, in effect, meaningless.
It isn't being pedantic, but again, the legislation says fans must be able to watch from designated seated accommodation (which they are) but nowhere does it specifically state that fans have to sit down. ''Strongly implying'' isn't enough.2. Spectators shall only be admitted to watch a designated football match from seated accommodation.
Strongly implied that they should sit.
If you listen to FSF they say Old Trafford has pitch side seats for away fans, which shows they are not exactly on the ball.
Plus you seem to think secondary legislation is not legislation, which flaws your stand point.
I am not against standing and most football clubs allow it, but trying to get around it using flawed legal arguments is not the way.
It isn't being pedantic, but again, the legislation says fans must be able to watch from designated seated accommodation (which they are) but nowhere does it specifically state that fans have to sit down. ''Strongly implying'' isn't enough.
When you are on an plane, you are specifically told to sit down and fasten your seatbelt, No debate, no implications. Football fans are only told we must be housed in a seated area.
Now the Football Licensing Authority stated it was acceptable for fans to stand up at ''moments of high excitement'' - a term so open to interpretation. During Stuart Pearce's reign, a corner was deemed high excitement! For many the whole game is one of excitement, for some when the team are on the attack or a dirty foul by an opposing player etc etc
If it was against the law to stand, fans would be in court - like they are if they run on the pitch or use racial language. But not one fan has been in court for standing up because it isn't a law. Not one club has had sections closed down because of standing. Why? Because it is not against the law to stand in seated areas.
Yes, clubs have had ticket allocations reduced (end seats taken away) but that is because if fans are standing up, apparently we take up more room and as a result fans are spilling over into the aisle. So that action is due to safety issues and not fans breaking the law.
Oh, OT does have pitch side seats for away fans - they get round that because away fans with disabilities are housed there.... (but that's a different topic)