'As A City Fan', Would You Like To See Safe Standing Introduced At The Etihad?

[trevorriley]

I get concerned when i hear the word "rail" when safestanding is mentioned.. The word rail means old fashioned fuck up and never works !

Rail seats or safestanding will both have allocated supporter numbers on them, so theatrically you cant just stand-sit where you want. But even as seats currently are in certain areas as we know we do go where we want. What will happen is more flexibility to bunch up in games with safestanding.

 

[Mad Eyed Screamer]

I get concerned when i hear the word "rail" when safestanding is mentioned.. The word rail means old fashioned fuck up and never works !

Rail seats or safestanding will both have allocated supporter numbers on them, so theatrically you cant just stand-sit where you want. But even as seats currently are in certain areas as we know we do go where we want. What will happen is more flexibility to bunch up in games with safestanding.

The seats will have numbers for when in use for European and international games.
When in use for standing there could be 18 people in the space of 10 seats so not everyone can have the same seat number as anyone else.

 

[I'm no cynic but...]

The seats will have numbers for when in use for European and international games.
When in use for standing there could be 18 people in the space of 10 seats so not everyone can have the same seat number as anyone else.

Is the 1.8 rule a fact or is it a guess? To make it work correctly would mean having a steward at each row to ensure that each supporter would stand where they were supposed to. Without this it would require supporters goodwill, without this it could lead to some sections being overcrowded with others being lightly occupied. A long way short of being Hillsborough but without any new SSAs being shown to work foolproof as intended, then Liverpool pressure groups will always be there to block it and no MP is going to go against their wishes and vote for any return to standing. My own view is that it is safer to stand in a SSA than it is to stand on a bus or a train but as long as Hillsborough is remembered, it would take a huge change of fortune to push it through.

 

[Manchester33]

Is the 1.8 rule a fact or is it a guess? To make it work correctly would mean having a steward at each row to ensure that each supporter would stand where they were supposed to. Without this it would require supporters goodwill, without this it could lead to some sections being overcrowded with others being lightly occupied. A long way short of being Hillsborough but without any new SSAs being shown to work foolproof as intended, then Liverpool pressure groups will always be there to block it and no MP is going to go against their wishes and vote for any return to standing. My own view is that it is safer to stand in a SSA than it is to stand on a bus or a train but as long as Hillsborough is remembered, it would take a huge change of fortune to push it through.

I don't think the demand for standing to be blocked is a prevalent on Merseyside as some think. When they've ran poles on the topic they still come bakc overwhelmingly in favour of introducing standing. If you go to either Anfield or Goodison you'll see thousands stood all game (same when they are away from home as well).

People presume that they're so against it but they're not. The Hillsborough families are to an extent (although word of the grapevine is that they are softening their views). I think they are keeping quiet about it more out of respect than anything else. Something like Hilsborough will NEVER happen again in modern football stadia.

I think you're being a bit OTT when you say 'will lead to some sections being overcrowded' etc. I don't think they will. People will get in early with their mates to get the best seats, once they're taken up people will just go where they can. It wouldn't be anywhere near as dangerous as say, attending a rock concert would be (and they have happily had those at the Etihad).

 

[nijinsky]

Is the 1.8 rule a fact or is it a guess? To make it work correctly would mean having a steward at each row to ensure that each supporter would stand where they were supposed to. Without this it would require supporters goodwill, without this it could lead to some sections being overcrowded with others being lightly occupied. A long way short of being Hillsborough but without any new SSAs being shown to work foolproof as intended, then Liverpool pressure groups will always be there to block it and no MP is going to go against their wishes and vote for any return to standing. My own view is that it is safer to stand in a SSA than it is to stand on a bus or a train but as long as Hillsborough is remembered, it would take a huge change of fortune to push it through.

It's safer to stand in SSA than it is to stand in a seated area, never mind bus or train.

The scenario. Here is a space where people are moving around on mass, sometimes jumping around. And they don't want to sit down. And you cant make them. I know, lets make it law that you have to put low lying obstacles in their way instead of a barrier to stop them falling forward. Fucking great idea that one.
Its madness that we are still having to prove there will never be so much as twisted ankle again with SSA when the current situation is so inappropriate, IMO.

What is holding it back may be the fretting over the 1.8. You can imagine the H&S heads melting with such an anomaly nowadays. Not to mention the authorities who will have UNIDENTIFIED ̶C̶R̶I̶M̶I̶N̶ FOOTBALL FANS standing in UN ALLOCATED SPACES. The horror!
The clubs probably aren't arsed either way. You can't monetise punters while they are gawping at the pitch for 90 minutes, sat down or standing.

 

[CrownPointBlue]

Some certainly contributed to it though & it certainly was LIVERPOOL FANS behaviour that Killed innocent Italians at Hysell !!

 

[I'm no cynic but...]

If SSAs are to be introduced to football stadiums, it will need an Act passed by Parliament. We have a Tory government who, for a good part, think of football supporters as part of the great unwashed and are not likely to waste time discussing such trivialities as SSA. Shock! Horror! How could they allow themselves to agonize over these things when there are more important matter to concentrate fully on, such as MPs expenses and greater tax breaks for higher earners. So if a day is really to be dedicated to SSA politics, and there are members of the Hillsborough support group there, which there will be, then no politician, especially a Tory, will come out and say these people are wrong. They will not want the watching public to see them as callous bar stewards, they will want the world to see themselves as caring members of the public and who are there to protect society from ruffians who just cannot be trusted.

 

[dawlish dave]

Don't want to stand but I would vote yes for SS, Celtic now have had it for 4 months is it worth asking how it works as in do you buy a allocated seat if so then how is it working as some think you will be standing with your mates if you get there early, this could lead to big trouble if it turns into a free for all. If any Celtic SS are on Bluemoon could they post how its going on at Parkhead.

 

[Mad Eyed Screamer]

If SSAs are to be introduced to football stadiums, it will need an Act passed by Parliament. We have a Tory government who, for a good part, think of football supporters as part of the great unwashed and are not likely to waste time discussing such trivialities as SSA. Shock! Horror! How could they allow themselves to agonize over these things when there are more important matter to concentrate fully on, such as MPs expenses and greater tax breaks for higher earners. So if a day is really to be dedicated to SSA politics, and there are members of the Hillsborough support group there, which there will be, then no politician, especially a Tory, will come out and say these people are wrong. They will not want the watching public to see them as callous bar stewards, they will want the world to see themselves as caring members of the public and who are there to protect society from ruffians who just cannot be trusted.

FFS how many times do I have to say this?
It does not need an act of Parliament because there is no government legislation on standing. It is just a regulation.

 

[Mad Eyed Screamer]

Some certainly contributed to it though & it certainly was LIVERPOOL FANS behaviour that Killed innocent Italians at Hysell !!

Ignoring the fact the stadium was unfit to host a game and that Uefa allowed tickets for the Section next to the Liverpool fans to be,sold in Brussels which were snapped up by locals and flogged to Juve fans therefore completely wrecking segregation plans