asault by grown men on kids waiting for a bus in ashton....

[Anonymous]

Fucking hell. Upon ignorance we heap ignorance. I timely reminder of why I stay out of these threads. Good luck searching for the answer.

 

[TCIB]

All the necessary governing bodies and agencies involved recognize the problem of Asian grooming gangs and their disproportionate numbers within Asian communities.

It's not that they are not just evil bastards which they are.

We have to understand what made them this way and stop them from committing this stuff in the future.

Not admitting there is a problem is a timebomb waiting to go off....it's about education and obviously punishing the perpetrators who have been caught.

It may sounds harsh but its the truth. They target young white girls because they think they are cheap and easy.
I have seen this first hand, cars of young Asian lads trying to talk young white girls into their cars and ply them with alcohol and drugs. You can bet your life they don't do it to their own.

Why do they think these girls deserve this, the cause at the core is islam and the way it views women and in particular non muslim women.

It sickens me that anyone can treat any other human in such a foul manor such as scripture stipulates or endorses/condones just for opposition or transgression within the faith.

I mean the penalty for apostasy is death in islam, how dare it call it's self the religion of peace, how fucking dare it.

 

[Bigga]

You can look at it this way Bigga...

Christianity in England is rather secular and moderate.
They have sunday gatherings and cake sales and such right.

Islam has moderate and secular sections but the word on the whole from islam is be with us or die basically.
It endorses violence to propagate it's self.
Not that Christianity does not but Islam is the most aggressive in it's pursuit.

The quran is dripping with absolutes in this vein.

I do not hate a muslim person as such, i hate the ideals that they have been indoctrinated with.
This is a danger to me and my family and friends. Indeed it is a danger to all non theists and people who at their core want peace and do not believe in a deity.

I gotta say, TCIB, I do disagree with you but only because what you are talking about is inherently the weakness of the mind or Human will.

I love my wife, but if she said 'go kill some cnut' I wouldn't cos I know this doesn't sit right with me. But, because I am free thinking, does it mean I love my wife less?

No.

I will absorb what she says and put it into context, if there is a context to it. I wouldn't blindly follow, but that is what free will is for; think for yourself or give away your power.

Simple, really.

Is this not the same with Muslims and Islam?? You will get those that blindly love and follow and you will those that love and think about context, but love no less than the blind follower.

It is wholly what I believe and where we differ.

 

[TCIB]

Fucking hell. Upon ignorance we heap ignorance. I timely reminder of why I stay out of these threads. Good luck searching for the answer.

I would call it 'enlightened perspective' :)

The answer is here, it's called physics :)

 

[roaminblue]

Yes correct, but when they commit atrocities they are doing so believing they are doing it for the good of their faith.

I get your point mate, but all religions have barbaric, stupid and violent rules in them. This is not exclusive to Islam. Religious texts are books written centuries ago, so it is clear why they contain rules and laws that have no place in a modern society.

I think the problem is, there are a number of underlying issues that are condensed into one in the minds of many.

To me social tensions in certain areas and Islamic terrorism are two distinct and separate issues and require different approaches in order to be dealt with.

When you look at countries like, for example, Afghanistan who for the past few decades has been an incredibly Islam-centric country with no separation of the church and the state, you have to take into account events that are specific to that country.

Have a look at some photos of Afghanistan in the 60's/70's, you'll be amazed. Women in skirts, women becoming Doctors etc. That country was well on its way through to being a developed, and pretty content society.

Then a number of events occurred that left something of a power vacuum into which religious extremism and fundamentalism was allowed to step through the use of force and propaganda.

For a lot of countries within which there is an incredibly religious power base, one underlying correlation seems to be the levels of development and education within the country.

As for naturalised terrorism, my opinion is that they are probably the type of people that would be drawn to some sort of extremism, or insecurity driven actions

 

[Bigga]

To be fair, it's fucking hard typing and reading with that chip weighing down so heavily upon his shoulder.

Do you know what I realised about you?

You took offence that I said your girl was way out of your league, some time back. That really stuck in your craw cos it was true...

And a good reason why you over compensate.

If you thought that about the last one (I have no recollection of you saying that to be honest, sorry to burst your bubble), God only knows what you'd say of the new one.

And if that's the best comeback you've got, you boring, diminutive little man, then I feel for you.

*yaaaaawwwnnnnnn*


ZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz......

 

[SWP's back]

Do you know what I realised about you?

You took offence that I said your girl was way out of your league, some time back. That really stuck in your craw cos it was true...

And a good reason why you over compensate.

If you thought that about the last one (I have no recollection of you saying that to be honest, sorry to burst your bubble), God only knows what you'd say of the new one.

And if that's the best comeback you've got, you boring, diminutive little man, then I feel for you.

*yaaaaawwwnnnnnn*


ZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz......

Pretty much the standard reaction of most on here as soon as you post your race obsessed shite. It does make me smile that you thought I remembered a comment you made on a thread from what, two or three years ago? As if you rate that highly on my give-a-shit-ometre.

As you were little bigga, enjoy your weekend.

 

[TCIB]

You can look at it this way Bigga...

Christianity in England is rather secular and moderate.
They have sunday gatherings and cake sales and such right.

Islam has moderate and secular sections but the word on the whole from islam is be with us or die basically.
It endorses violence to propagate it's self.
Not that Christianity does not but Islam is the most aggressive in it's pursuit.

The quran is dripping with absolutes in this vein.

I do not hate a muslim person as such, i hate the ideals that they have been indoctrinated with.
This is a danger to me and my family and friends. Indeed it is a danger to all non theists and people who at their core want peace and do not believe in a deity.

I gotta say, TCIB, I do disagree with you but only because what you are talking about is inherently the weakness of the mind or Human will.

I love my wife, but if she said 'go kill some cnut' I wouldn't cos I know this doesn't sit right with me. But, because I am free thinking, does it mean I love my wife less?

No.

I will absorb what she says and put it into context, if there is a context to it. I wouldn't blindly follow, but that is what free will is for; think for yourself or give away your power.

Simple, really.

Is this not the same with Muslims and Islam?? You will get those that blindly love and follow and you will those that love and think about context, but love no less than the blind follower.

It is wholly what I believe and where we differ.

Well it is quiet simple really, no islam = no warrant to commit atrocities against those who do not believe in a god there is no proof ever existed, ever, at all with no exceptions regarding proof.

The weakness of the human mind you speak of is inherent only to those minds to scarred to accept the truth.
That would be we are insignificant, a by product of a cosmic event.
They need the idea of a deity even if it is absurd a proposition as it is; comforts such a mind more than reality.

When a person says to me i am a person of faith they say it proud as if it is some respect demanding statement.
I think, ok your willing to believe almost anything with no evidence for it's existence at all.

 

[Bigga]

If you thought that about the last one (I have no recollection of you saying that to be honest, sorry to burst your bubble), God only knows what you'd say of the new one.

And if that's the best comeback you've got, you boring, diminutive little man, then I feel for you.

*yaaaaawwwnnnnnn*


ZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz......

Pretty much the standard reaction of most on here as soon as you post your race obsessed shite. It does make me smile that you thought I remembered a comment you made on a thread from what, two or three years ago? As if you rate that highly on my give-a-shit-ometre.

As you were little bigga, enjoy your weekend.

Whatever man. Feast on your self perceived 'victory'. Make sure you post more begging look-at-me pics for your attention seeking validation. Fook me, you really need to be loved by strangers on a net.

What did I say before...??

Oh yeah, "desperate" and "narcissistic manchild".

Toodle pip.

 

[dazdon]

I think SWP is a bit of a **** but he's a reasoned **** who always attempts to back up his statements with a little fact.

There is way too much "Getting personal" going on in Bluemoon nowadays.

 

[Bigga]

You can look at it this way Bigga...

Christianity in England is rather secular and moderate.
They have sunday gatherings and cake sales and such right.

Islam has moderate and secular sections but the word on the whole from islam is be with us or die basically.
It endorses violence to propagate it's self.
Not that Christianity does not but Islam is the most aggressive in it's pursuit.

The quran is dripping with absolutes in this vein.

I do not hate a muslim person as such, i hate the ideals that they have been indoctrinated with.
This is a danger to me and my family and friends. Indeed it is a danger to all non theists and people who at their core want peace and do not believe in a deity.

I gotta say, TCIB, I do disagree with you but only because what you are talking about is inherently the weakness of the mind or Human will.

I love my wife, but if she said 'go kill some cnut' I wouldn't cos I know this doesn't sit right with me. But, because I am free thinking, does it mean I love my wife less?

No.

I will absorb what she says and put it into context, if there is a context to it. I wouldn't blindly follow, but that is what free will is for; think for yourself or give away your power.

Simple, really.

Is this not the same with Muslims and Islam?? You will get those that blindly love and follow and you will those that love and think about context, but love no less than the blind follower.

It is wholly what I believe and where we differ.

Well it is quiet simple really, no islam = no warrant to commit atrocities against those who do not believe in a god there is no proof ever existed, ever, at all with no exceptions regarding proof.

The weakness of the human mind you speak of is inherent only to those minds to scarred to accept the truth.
That would be we are insignificant, a by product of a cosmic event.
They need the idea of a deity even if it is absurd a proposition as it is; comforts such a mind more than reality.

When a person say's to me ' i am a person of faith' they say it proud as if it is some respect demanding statement.
I think, ok your willing to believe almost anything with no evidence for it's existence at all.

But that's a choice for them. It's just as conceivable a choice when science fails to explain how the Big Bang came about! 'Something' came 'nothing' except the 'nothing' is explained as 'something' we can't perceive??

What happens when people have an experience that science couldn't solve and leads them to believe in things outside of science(which, after all needs 'proof' to corroborate or it doesn't exist!)? Why is the thought of a more powerful energy than you so'absurd'??

Cos you can't prove it??

Is believing in Islam or any religion less credible than 'string theory' which discusses the possibility of 'other dimensions'?? No.

Each to their own, but a weak mind is a weak mind no matter what or whom influences it.

 

[TCIB]

It's not a choice for a 5yo mind when they are told the penalty for apostasy in islam or the hell that awaits them in common christian methodology.

Choice is a word islamic faith does not tolerate at any level if you read the quran.

Umm you do know string theory is just a theory right ?
You understand how peer critique and testing creates what we accept as a 'law' ?.

Believing in 2000 year old scripture is a hell of a lot less credible than assuming to test something we accept as a theory only.
Can you not see what your sayin...
I mean do you even know what your saying ?

 

[Bigga]

It's not a choice for a 5yo mind when they are told the penalty for apostasy in islam or the hell that awaits them in common christian methodology.

Choice is a word islamic faith does not tolerate at any level if you read the quran.

So when your parents bullsh*tted you at 5, you believed it until you grew up and had the choice to be free thinking.

People have the choice.

You can choose to believe in 'string theory' and they can choose Santa or 72 virgins or whatever.

What can I say?

Isn't anything a theory until you are there or can 'test' it??

How can you know what happens to the energy we have beyond the realm of the body? How do you test for that?

 

[pominoz]

*yaaaaawwwnnnnnn*


ZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz......

Pretty much the standard reaction of most on here as soon as you post your race obsessed shite. It does make me smile that you thought I remembered a comment you made on a thread from what, two or three years ago? As if you rate that highly on my give-a-shit-ometre.

As you were little bigga, enjoy your weekend.

Whatever man. Feast on your self perceived 'victory'. Make sure you post more begging look-at-me pics for your attention seeking validation. Fook me, you really need to be loved by strangers on a net.

What did I say before...??

Oh yeah, "desperate" and "narcissistic manchild".

Toodle pip.

Oh, the fucking irony.

 

[TCIB]

It's not a choice for a 5yo mind when they are told the penalty for apostasy in islam or the hell that awaits them in common christian methodology.

Choice is a word islamic faith does not tolerate at any level if you read the quran.

So when your parents bullsh*tted you at 5, you believed it until you grew up and had the choice to be free thinking.

People have the choice.

You can choose to believe in 'string theory' and they can choose Santa or 72 virgins or whatever.

What can I say?

No because i never had it shoved down my neck.
Also islam controls women especially throughout life, never mind as a child.

I was given a proper education and denied nothing in this pursuit.
Most muslims who are brought up at least in a non secular town/city etc have no chance of the seeing and being allowed to make my own mind up about the world.

The idea of your question seemingly betrays a large lack of understanding about the faith i dare say Bigga.
Have you read the quran ?

I do not believe in string theory but i do believe in the principles developed that enabled us to explore this avenue of theoretical physics.

Your not helping the case for islam here very much Bigga, in fact sweep et al are probably going to think i bribed you to ask these easy to attack queries you have in rebuke and response.

Gravity is still a theory, however those darn brain cells tell me it may not be a good idea to jump out the window and test it :D

 

[Bigga]

It's not a choice for a 5yo mind when they are told the penalty for apostasy in islam or the hell that awaits them in common christian methodology.

Choice is a word islamic faith does not tolerate at any level if you read the quran.

So when your parents bullsh*tted you at 5, you believed it until you grew up and had the choice to be free thinking.

People have the choice.

You can choose to believe in 'string theory' and they can choose Santa or 72 virgins or whatever.

What can I say?

No because i never had it shoved down my neck.
Also islam controls women especially throughout life, never mind as a child.

I was given a proper education and denied nothing in this pursuit.
Most muslims who are brought up at least in a non secular town/city etc have no chance of the seeing and being allowed to make my own mind up about the world.

The idea of your question seemingly betrays a large lack of understanding about the faith i dare say Bigga.
Have you read the quran ?

I do not believe in string theory but i do believe in the principles developed that enabled us to explore this avenue of theoretical physics.

Your not helping the case for islam here very much Bigga, in fact sweep et al are probably going to think i bribed you to ask these easy to attack queries you have in rebuke and response.

Gravity is still a theory, however those darn brain cells tell me it mat not be a good idea to jump out the window and test it :D

Well, I cannot understand why you're assuming of Islam when you know fair and well that you have Muslims that follow their faith and abide by the law, proving that Islam is not as degenerate as you make out. Why there are even husbands that treat their wives with love and respect, don't you know??!!

What you are saying is ridiculous on a huge level and you are not taking into account anything I have said about choice, context and free will. That covers anything and everything, religious or not in Human Beings.

Sorry if that's not logical enough for you!

Do you know the irony of your 'science over religion' is that much of science was propelled by Islamic teachings!

Get that!

 

[TCIB]

Yes because they have not been brought up with an extremist version of islam.

The rest i don't even know where to begin with tbh Bigga.

I am fucking gobsmacked a person able to understand the basics of the http protocol can say what you just did.

I shall be more concise and articulate later after i have seen Man of Steel and give my report in the last watched thread (no spoilers dun worry) :D

 

[Bigga]

Yes because they have not been brought up with an extremist version of islam.

The rest i don't even know where to begin with tbh Bigga.

I am fucking gobsmacked a person able to understand the basics of the http protocol can say what you just did.

I shall be more concise and articulate later after i have seen Man of Steel and give my report in the last watched thread (no spoilers dun worry) :D

Mate, you DO know there isn't a 'good' version of Islam and an 'extremist' version? There is just Islam. What you will have is Imams/ clerics that choose to highlight quotes and use them for their own purposes. That is the human element coming into play with the thirst for power.

One can CHOOSE to believe it or put it into CONTEXT thus the use of FREE WILL.

 

[TCIB]

Yes because they have not been brought up with an extremist version of islam.

The rest i don't even know where to begin with tbh Bigga.

I am fucking gobsmacked a person able to understand the basics of the http protocol can say what you just did.

I shall be more concise and articulate later after i have seen Man of Steel and give my report in the last watched thread (no spoilers dun worry) :D

Mate, you DO know there isn't a 'good' version of Islam and an 'extremist' version? There is just Islam. What you will have is Imams/ clerics that choose to highlight quotes and use them for their own purposes. That is the human element coming into play with the thirst for power.

One can CHOOSE to believe it or put it into CONTEXT thus the use of FREE WILL.

If your indoctrinated as a child by a non secular muslim iman/cleric you have no choice.
I say again islam offers no choice in it's teachings.
Versions are subjective indeed however how subjective is...

"As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help."

If it didn't exist then the chance a mind may be warped by such rubbish is gone.
Is that such a hard concept to grasp ?

 

[Bigga]

Yes because they have not been brought up with an extremist version of islam.

The rest i don't even know where to begin with tbh Bigga.

I am fucking gobsmacked a person able to understand the basics of the http protocol can say what you just did.

I shall be more concise and articulate later after i have seen Man of Steel and give my report in the last watched thread (no spoilers dun worry) :D

Mate, you DO know there isn't a 'good' version of Islam and an 'extremist' version? There is just Islam. What you will have is Imams/ clerics that choose to highlight quotes and use them for their own purposes. That is the human element coming into play with the thirst for power.

One can CHOOSE to believe it or put it into CONTEXT thus the use of FREE WILL.

If your indoctrinated as a child by a non secular muslim iman/cleric you have no choice.
I say again islam offers no choice in it's teachings.
Versions are subjective indeed however how subjective is...

"As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help."

If it didn't exist then the chance a mind may be warped by such rubbish is gone.
Is that such a hard concept to grasp ?

I have a nephew that was 'indoctrinated' into Islam by Imams on the say so of his Muslim mother. He is now an intelligent 15 year old, has taken his world & what he's been taught into account & thinks for himself.

So, therefore, my own experience of free thinking, strong minded individuals is vastly different to yours.

What can I say to you, dude?

What you and I say have traction from where we stand. I believe we have room in this world for all beliefs as well as science. You do not.