Assisted dying

Sadly, they are going to die in a matter of weeks anyway. If they desire, let them set the timeframe
Not sure of the point you are making but in every country that has so far allowed euthansia/assisted suicide (20 I think) the timeframe has been expanded very quickly to 12 months and in some cases is without limit. The same thing will happen here.
 
Not sure of the point you are making but in every country that has so far allowed euthansia/assisted suicide (20 I think) the timeframe has been expanded very quickly to 12 months and in some cases is without limit. The same thing will happen here.
In what context?

Also, why are you debating the fact after the bill has been passed, surely the t8me to debate this was whilst the bill was going through the various voting stages?
 
Listen to the hospices and specialists and provide the funding they need to meet demand. Their professional organizations all opposed this bill because of the fundamental change in patient/practitioner relationship it entails.
I'm going to bet the real reason why they opposed this bill was actually the potential threat to their income stream it represents.
 
As someone who wants the legal option to exit this hellscape for serious mental health reasons I view the vehemence with which politicians and others are fighting this as another hard kick in the teeth for those who suffer a life of agony - be it physical or otherwise. I'm sure they mean well but it feels like being locked in a burning building.
People are gonna off themselves anyway and it's on the fuckin' railway every day pretty much. I don't have to explain how thoroughly nasty that is.
Let's get real ....the amount of mental suffering in the 21st century is absolutely immense and it's going nowhere. For whatever reason we now have a society / world that has become incredibly individualist and Darwinist and the consequence of failure is now an "existence" of cruel punishment where you are going to have nothing while you get to witness so many others having what you never will. I'm sure some will see it as a way of culling the "less fortunate" but I'm afraid as one of those I do not care , I just want to escape this cruel fate life handed me (autism, severe depression, unpleasant childhood, sexual abuse etc) and as I've said before even the option would make it easier to live knowing I'd always have a painless method of exit and wouldn't have to resort to a violent one that may not succeed and leave me severely disabled.

I am so sorry to read what you are going through and thank you for enlightening me on this wider aspect of ending life in a scenario that is not deemed as being imminently life limiting.

I have always just thought about this in respect of people who literally have no other alternative as they cannot be cured so it allows them to go peacefully on their own terms.

My dad had Parkinson’s and would have liked to have gone when he wanted rather than being bed ridden and no real life for at least a year before he passed. Thankfully he ended up in hospital in the weeks before passing rather than being in his care home as I dread to think how they would have managed his end of life care even when the cost of staying there was £6k a month.The hospital were amazing and after we were told there was nothing that could be done for our dad we were given the option of withdrawing a lot of his meds and sadly not providing food as he could no longer swallow without choking.

I naively presumed that would mean he would last a couple of days and we could all say goodbye. He lasted nearly 2weeks with nothing other than pain medication which we as a family had to anticipate to see if he needed extra doses. It was awful and I honestly considered at times putting a pillow over his face at times to ease his suffering. I presumed they would know how he died and wouldn’t look into it too much. I am glad I didn’t as they still did a full post mortem and ended up sending his tissues off for samples for suspected asbestosis which led to a 9 month wait register his death.

My dad and selfishly we as a family would have benefitted from these changes.

My wife’s friend suffered from mental illness which we were unaware of the severity of until after she jumped off Barton Bridge a few years ago which was incredibly tragic and only her partner and close family knew how bad she was.

PinkFinal, it seems you are able to take some comfort that a legalised option could be available to you at some point, I would hope that soon there is some treatment available to you that will really help your mind and help you to be happy in yourself. It sounds like you have had a torrid time but there will be lots of people who think the world of you, unfortunately people do not show it enough and unfortunately it is only when someone passes, people show their emotion and if they showed it before perhaps they could have saved their friends life.

Just keep reaching out to people whether you are in a high or a low, tell people how you truly feel and try lots of options for help even if you feel you have tried something similar before. You probably don’t realise it but you will be making a positive impact on people everyday, no matter how small.
 
Not sure of the point you are making but in every country that has so far allowed euthansia/assisted suicide (20 I think) the timeframe has been expanded very quickly to 12 months and in some cases is without limit. The same thing will happen here.
I thought my point was quite obvious. Those that are eligible for this will sadly pass within 6 months irrespective of treatment. If their quality of life is unbearable, then they are being given an opportunity to end their suffering early and, imo, that is a good thing.
 
I thought my point was quite obvious. Those that are eligible for this will sadly pass within 6 months irrespective of treatment. If their quality of life is unbearable, then they are being given an opportunity to end their suffering early and, imo, that is a good thing.
Sorry for not seeing your point clearly. I think my reply is still relevant though. What is 6 months now has quickly been extended to 12 months or longer by all the other legislatures where euthansia/ assisted suicide is allowed. That longer timeframe greatly increase the risk of direct and indirect coercion and this is clearly seen in those countries.
 
Heartbreaking decision to make and if anyone is even contemplating doing this then every avenue of hope and recovery has gone . Tbh I don’t even want to think about an opinion on this .
 
Sorry for not seeing your point clearly. I think my reply is still relevant though. What is 6 months now has quickly been extended to 12 months or longer by all the other legislatures where euthansia/ assisted suicide is allowed. That longer timeframe greatly increase the risk of direct and indirect coercion and this is clearly seen in those countries.
As it stands, we’re debating the current bill
 
Heartbreaking decision to make and if anyone is even contemplating doing this then every avenue of hope and recovery has gone . Tbh I don’t even want to think about an opinion on this .

Agree it really is hard to think about it.

My dad said for over 5 months before he died from cancer that he didn't want to live.
The first thing out of his mouth was 'I don't want to be here I want to be with mum ( his wife our mum )
For 5 months my dad was in tremendous pain and the last month was horrific, horrible to have to watch your dad suffer it was beyond words.

My dad would have taken assisted dying I'm 100% sure of that. As his son it's hard to think he wanted out. But he had had enough pain.

This subject fries my brain I guess it's so hard to admit the person you love wants to die.
 
The context is the discussion with the poster to which it is a reply. (Since I am not an MP I don't think your other point applies.)
I’m not trying to be argumentative on this, it was a genuine question. This has been going on for years, with this thread over a year old, yet I’ve seen little or no involvement from yourself. And it’s not really that which grabbed my attention, it’s the language you are using, such as ‘killing, suicide’ et al, which would suggest that, either for religious or personal reasons, you are emotionally involved in this issue, somehow believing that the state are using this to kill everybody off.

Does that same thought process run towards how the NHS is looking to DNA test new borns to see if they may have disorders in the future?
 
I’m not trying to be argumentative on this, it was a genuine question. This has been going on for years, with this thread over a year old, yet I’ve seen little or no involvement from yourself. And it’s not really that which grabbed my attention, it’s the language you are using, such as ‘killing, suicide’ et al, which would suggest that, either for religious or personal reasons, you are emotionally involved in this issue, somehow believing that the state are using this to kill everybody off.

Does that same thought process run towards how the NHS is looking to DNA test new borns to see if they may have disorders in the future?
This bill is an amendment to the assisted suicide act - hence my description. Assisted dying is already quite legal as is suicide. This legislation crosses the line and could be used in the way all the disability groups and medical professional bodies who oppose it fear. It fundamentally changes the relationship between the individual and the state. (I've posted quite a bit on here about it if you care to scroll back btw.)
 
My father died yesterday from Alzheimer's, he'd spent 3 years in a care home where he slowly deteriorated. When he still had some of his marbles I lost count of the number of times he told me that he wanted to end it.
 
The current bill legalises the principle of the state assisted suicide. I think the widening of the parameters allowing the practice in terms of timeframe and eligibility will inevitably follow as in other countries who have allowed it.
We don't know that today though. If it is extended, we will need to see the details then to have a rational discussion
 
This bill is an amendment to the assisted suicide act - hence my description. Assisted dying is already quite legal as is suicide. This legislation crosses the line and could be used in the way all the disability groups and medical professional bodies who oppose it fear. It fundamentally changes the relationship between the individual and the state. (I've posted quite a bit on here about it if you care to scroll back btw.)
Exactly how does it change the relationship for the worse (as you are suggesting)?
 
Exactly how does it change the relationship for the worse (as you are suggesting)?
It undermines the relationship between medical practioner and patient "First do no harm" but actually goes beyond that as can be seen from the rise in coercion promoting suicide of the vulnerable in other countries and assisted by a growing involvement by the private sector. You should maybe read Lord Sumption's article I linked on here a while back.

 
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