johnny crossan
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I think you should be able to work out the concern many folk have about coercion and self-coercion as a result of this bill for yourself with a bit more effort.
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Assisted dying
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metalblue
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If this is passed today it still has to get through the House of Lords. In the meantime dying people still suffer every day while I listen to a debate ignoring the pain of dying people.
Anyone whose ever suffered pain will know how hard it is to get paracetamol/ibuprofen off the doctor imagine the horror end of life and painkillers are rationed we can’t give you any more morphine it might kill you.
I can guarantee that doesn’t happen mate.
What many people fail to understand is pain killers are addictive hence they are given sparingly. Come end of life no medical professional is considering the risks of you becoming addicted so you’ve got a whole cupboard of options to find relief from.
They’ll give you as much as you need of whatever you need.
johnny crossan
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Not just me friend, maybe try listening to others in the current HoC debate making the case against this bill far better than I can.If you say so
metalblue
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Cannot agree with that at all.
I would also say even having good palliative care does not prevent pain and suffering as I well know from family circumstances.
Good palliative care does mate. If you had a family member suffer it wasn’t good palliative care.
mosssideblue
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Ditto those speaking for the bill.Not just me friend, maybe try listening to others in the current HoC debate making the case against this bill far better than I can.
Still awaiting your answer to me asking you are you content to let people suffer immense and uncontrollable pain
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I've got the debate on in the background and though I think the process of seeking to do this through a Private Members Bill is very flawed I'll say one thing....we tend to demonise our politicians but they are showing today that they can act as proper dignified parliamentarians.
mosssideblue
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Depends on what is meant by good palliative care.Good palliative care does mate. If you had a family member suffer it wasn’t good palliative care.
Do you mean dosing someone up with so much morphine they are effectively in a coma only to come around to be once again in unbearable pain, rinse and repeat.
johnny crossan
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Of course not, but I agree with those who argue this bill isn't the answer and will create more suffering than it will prevent.Ditto those speaking for the bill.
Still awaiting your answer to me asking you are you content to let people suffer immense and uncontrollable pain
metalblue
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Depends on what is meant by good palliative care.
Do you mean dosing someone up with so much morphine they are effectively in a coma only to come around to be once again in unbearable pain, rinse and repeat.
That’s not how palliative care works mate. They’d use an appropriate PRN dose in a syringe driver.
stonerblue
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Friend of mine was given ketamine at end of life palliative care because the morphine wasn't strong enough for her anee moreDepends on what is meant by good palliative care.
Do you mean dosing someone up with so much morphine they are effectively in a coma only to come around to be once again in unbearable pain, rinse and repeat.