Assisted dying

Yep and there is nothing else in your post
here is my post
I don't agree that majority public support for assisted dying exists, there are very strong lobbies for both sides and Lord Sumption's position is hard to argue against.
 
Everyone who has a slowly dieing friend or relative 'has a clue. It's the twats that don't experience this every minute of every day who know fuck all and base their opinion on made up shit.

70% of Palliative professionals don’t support assisted dying. They see the dying process far more than the vast majority of us.
 
here is my post
That is not what I was commenting on and well you know it. I was commenting on your statement that you preferred logical argument, which was not true. It is clear from my first post that that was the issue, nothing else. You are just trying to avoid my challenge.
 
That is not what I was commenting on and well you know it. I was commenting on your statement that you preferred logical argument, which was not true. It is clear from my first post that that was the issue, nothing else. You are just trying to avoid my challenge.
I have only referenced a purely secular argument against the bill, that is why your comment is nonsense.
 
The public want the option, just that, it doesn't mean you have to do it

I have nursed so many people who are tired of fighting to stay alive, in pain and exhaustion, especially old people who feel their race is run, i more than ever before would take the option gladly but for now i have too much respect for the doctors and nurses who saved me and of course i wont leave merlin , after that my race will be run, i don't live i just exist , tried every pain relief going and am always in pain and falling, so much more but i wont bore you anymore

Coercing is nowhere near the problem we are led to believe, put this to the nation and we will tell the government what we want, they lack the bollocks to take this fowards on their own
 
I thought one of the points of contention is the other way where there is a possibility that the patient could be coerced into agreeing by relatives.

That's why I thought some pre-determined decision ahead of time might overcome some of these issues. Before you are terminal and still with the requirement you have to agree to it later. Maybe coercion could still come into play.

Ultimately I don't see why coercion is a point of contention, the people are dying it's just a matter of when and how much pain.

From what I witnessed I also don't see it as a negative if people feel they are better off dying than going through 6 months of pain and misery when that's the alternative. The things I saw my Mum go through I wouldn't wish on anyone.

It's an emotive subject but it feels like on one side you have people who have witnessed terminal illness and support it and on the other you have people worried about things that, in my opinion, are concerns over situations that are highly unlikely and ultimately largely unimportant given the position the person is in.
 
Absolutely ridiculous what they are trying to do here. They're essentially trying to make it a Bill that cannot actually be utilised by anyone. There are numerous other countries that have similar laws in place and they work effectively. In Canada they've extended it, democratically, and everyone seems to be incredibly concerned by that. We're not looking to extend it the way the Canadians have and passing this Bill into law doesn't mean we'll suddenly sign off on future amendments. I don't think assisting those who are terminal and in immense pain softens people's thinking and suddenly they want to take out people with disabilities or mental illness.

I wonder if there's something they could introduce as a pre-emptive decision to prevent it's wrongful use? Maybe like a declaration people fill out when they are undergoing treatment to say, if the time came when they were terminal and in pain they would authorise it. That way there's time for them to get the sign-off from a professional and be in the right state of mind.

It's all a bit of a joke though. My Mum's mental health was all over the place during her treatment for cancer. One time she was in hospital for an op and had just had enough and had "do not resuscitate" on her bed before my Dad challenged it and said she wasn't in the right mental state to make that call. She survived it anyway, but that will be happening all over the country and there's no robust test needed for someone to sign up to it.
I may be cynical but there seems to be big money in end of life care. From pharmaceuticals to carers, there are many who will lose out if this goes through.
 

The assisted dying bill is held up in the Lords, out of 60 clauses in the bill the Lords are still discussing clause 1.
Only 59more clauses to go.which means the bill will probably get held up in the House.
 

The assisted dying bill is held up in the Lords, out of 60 clauses in the bill the Lords are still discussing clause 1.
Only 59more clauses to go.which means the bill will probably get held up in the House.
Of course the house will hold it up. That's what busy cunts do, stick their beaks where it's unwanted and unwarranted just to feel warm and fuzzy inside.
 
How many have severe pain for years,and not the 'final days or weeks'?

Hard to say, around 1 in 10 people have years long chronic pain, not all of them will have life limiting illnesses. So perhaps 1 in 15 or 20 is a reasonable guess? Nonetheless this law won’t really help those people apart from give them an escape route in the last 6 months and I don’t underestimate how difficult it is to live with pain so maybe that is enough.
 
That's why I thought some pre-determined decision ahead of time might overcome some of these issues. Before you are terminal and still with the requirement you have to agree to it later. Maybe coercion could still come into play.

Ultimately I don't see why coercion is a point of contention, the people are dying it's just a matter of when and how much pain.

From what I witnessed I also don't see it as a negative if people feel they are better off dying than going through 6 months of pain and misery when that's the alternative. The things I saw my Mum go through I wouldn't wish on anyone.

It's an emotive subject but it feels like on one side you have people who have witnessed terminal illness and support it and on the other you have people worried about things that, in my opinion, are concerns over situations that are highly unlikely and ultimately largely unimportant given the position the person is in.
The 'Coercion' argument is the biggest load of shit i've heard in a long time.
As the bill stands, the patient has been given 6 months to live. Who or why would a relative 'coerce' the patient into going a bit earlier?
 

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