Atmosphere - 2023/24

[Beaker]

Agree it's a football problem at least a premier league problem.

FFP has made clubs chase the money, if clubs want to invest they have to increase the turn over. This means higher ticket prices, more corporate deals, more matchday tours, more club tours with players having less rest.

With so much money in the premier league clubs well try to stay in at the cost to football, fans and entertainment. More teams will play park the bus as that clubs main aim to to keep the premier league money rolling in.

Long term fans are getting priced out and replaced with day trippers in all most every pl club. This is killing the atmosphere as these fans dont live and breathe their club. You see half n half scarfs at ever ground.

People are saying theres still enough City fans at the match a noise. But it's not the same when you sing that the 30odd sat around you look at you as if your mad.

I did the pitch tour as part if a Christmas treat out of that 20 or so their was a dipper, arsenal, Sheffield, Barcelona, RM Inter Milan and some others fans all going to the palace game. All loaded down with stuff from the souvenir shop. Supporters like me FOC can just about the ticket, travel costs and a beer, what do I bring to the matchday finances ? 63 yrs of undying loyal support that's it a ticket and a beer that's what I bring now that's what I'm seen as. My seat is a ticket n beer the club would prefer my seat to be a pre match tour, souvenir shop, food n beer seat.

Doesnt matter where you are people are filming from their phones and now turning their fucking lights on. It's not a music gig !. It doesnt entre my head to get my phone out during a game.

It's the same in most pl clubs hence why the American own clubs wanted a closed shop league to protect the money. It wasnt to improve the fans enjoyment. On the plus side a closed shop league might stop the park the bus games as theirs no relegation.

Luton is probably a throw back, but Luton cant invest to try and stay in the pl because there break ffp. I thought the Luton fans were abit small time. Thinking about it now I think I prefer the Luton old school to the sterlised grounds of the pl.

City shouldnt be beating ourselves over this, because it's not just a City problem it's a pl problem.

Add in VAR taking so long to view any City goal that kills the atmosphere stone dead as we wait 5 minutes to know if it's a goal or not.

I agree with the majority of this. There is a balance to be struck though, and City don’t appear to recognise that at the moment. South stand level 1&3 and the entirety of the new north stand need to be given over exclusively to genuine supporters. We need consultation between the club and the supporters to get it right. We know that there will be increased corporate areas and the club want the tourists, I’ve no problem with any of that but not at the expense of regular supporters.

 

[jrb]

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I agree with the majority of this. There is a balance to be struck though, and City don’t appear to recognise that at the moment. South stand level 1&3 and the entirety of the new north stand need to be given over exclusively to genuine supporters. We need consultation between the club and the supporters to get it right. We know that there will be increased corporate areas and the club want the tourists, I’ve no problem with any of that but not at the expense of regular supporters.

The club know exactly what the fans want. They’ve read it on BM, on other City fan forums, and on other City related social media websites.

The club has held meetings with the OSC, 1894, City Matters, etc, who have all told the club what the North stand should be like and what the fans want.

The club aren’t against what the fans want, but they aren’t promising anything atm. They are listening and talking, albeit to a select group of fans rather than engaging with the wider fan base on match days and at branch meetings. Hopefully that will come in the future?

My take is that the club are trying to find a compromise which will allow them to create a proper home end for the legacy fans, but which will also include hospitality.

I don’t think anything has been discounted yet with 2 years to go until the stand is open. But at some point in the future City will have to make a final decision on the seating layout. General seating, safe standing seating, hospitality seating, ambulant seating, etc.

My compromise would be to remove the proposed 700 seats at the front of tier 2, whilst expanding the hotel/hospitality seating at the back of the stand. I would relocate the centre ambulant seating, and expand the ambulant seating at the front of the two lower side blocks above the steps.

Liverpool now have two safe standing ends, the KOP and Level 1 of the Anfield Road stand. Noticed that yesterday whilst watching the Scousers v the Rags. Something similar could be done with SSL1 and NSL1.

Coach Wreckers OS.

The move will now see the introduction of safe standing areas across all rail seating sections on the Kop and in the lower Anfield Road Stand from Saturday.

LFC awarded Safe Standing Licence for new season - Liverpool FC

Liverpool FC has been granted a Safe Standing Licence for the 2023-24 season following an application to the Sports Ground Safety Authority (SGSA) earlier this year.

www.liverpoolfc.com

 

[jrb]

The problem City have is this.

Home ends.

The fans in the KOP, Stand.
The fans in the Stretford End, stand.
The fans in the Holte End, stand.
The fans in the new Spurs single tier stand, stand.
The fans in the Gwaldys Road, stand. (and they will in the home end behind the goal at Bramley-Moore Dock stadium)
The fans in the Gallowgate End, stand.
The fans in the Shed End, stand.
Palace, Wolves, Brentford, Etc.

Do the club honestly think legacy City fans will sit down on level 2 and on level 1 of the new NS home end?

We will then get into a constant match day scenario of stewards walking up and down the steps forcing fans to sit, fans refusing to sit, remaining standing, and fans falling out over standing a sitting whilst the match is on. There will be pockets of fans standing all over level 2. It will be impossible to get 8000 fans to sit down on level 2.

 

[Elliot houghton]

The problem City have is this.

Home ends.

The fans in the KOP, Stand.
The fans in the Stretford End, stand.
The fans in the Holte End, stand.
The fans in the new Spurs single tier stand, stand.
The fans in the Gwaldys Road, stand. (and they will in the home end behind the goal at Bramley-Moore Dock stadium)
The fans in the Gallowgate End, stand.
The fans in the Shed End, stand.
Palace, Wolves, Brentford, Etc.

Do the club honestly think legacy City fans will sit down on level 2 and on level 1 of the new NS home end?

We will then get into a constant match day scenario of stewards walking up and down the steps forcing fans to sit, fans refusing to sit, remaining standing, and fans falling out over standing a sitting whilst the match is on. There will be pockets of fans standing all over level 2. It will be impossible to get 8000 fans to sit down on level 2.

think safe standing should always be behind both goals if someone wants to sit down they can sit in Colin bell or east stand

 

[M18CTID]

i've seen 1894 try somwething before and it went down like a led balloon.

Someone with the time and energy and not just the passion needs to sort something out.

The club selling tickets into the 'singing areas' or those selling them in those areas must be selling them to the right people.

Otherwise we are just turning more and more into that shite from Stretford.

Exactly. 1894 have trialled a drum and a megaphone. The drum in particular was divisive amongst fans, with one fan who was on the drum for the first half of the Gladbach game in 2016 copping shit loads of abuse on the concourse at half-time. As for the megaphone, it took years of dialogue with the club to even get to the point that one was allowed to be used.

Funnily enough, the drum did help to contribute to the atmosphere a fair bit that night but the amount of negative comments meant that it was never going to become a regular thing. For the record, I'm not massively in favour of a drum myself but the point was politely made at the time that if more fans could actually be arsed singing then we'd never have needed to trial a drum in the first place.

 

[blue by birth]

think safe standing should always be behind both goals if someone wants to sit down they can sit in Colin bell or east stand

Im not against safe standing by the way but why the fuck should fans in the South Stand who have been there since it opened have to move to a different stand?
Lots of older fans in the South Stand sit together and love the view and the atmosphere with the regulars around them.
Make the new stand all safe standing and that should be enough for a decent atmosphere..
Also if City decided to do what you suggested and make both ends safe standing do you think they would relocate the ones who prefer to sit at the same price as they pay now.

 

[Man_City_Loyal]

Exactly. 1894 have trialled a drum and a megaphone. The drum in particular was divisive amongst fans, with one fan who was on the drum for the first half of the Gladbach game in 2016 copping shit loads of abuse on the concourse at half-time. As for the megaphone, it took years of dialogue with the club to even get to the point that one was allowed to be used.

Funnily enough, the drum did help to contribute to the atmosphere a fair bit that night but the amount of negative comments meant that it was never going to become a regular thing. For the record, I'm not massively in favour of a drum myself but the point was politely made at the time that if more fans could actually be arsed singing then we'd never have needed to trial a drum in the first place.

Exactly, it can be done without any equipment, as you said it just depends on who cba. An organised singing group is needed.

Im not against safe standing by the way but why the fuck should fans in the South Stand who have been there since it opened have to move to a different stand?
Lots of older fans in the South Stand sit together and love the view and the atmosphere with the regulars around them.
Make the new stand all safe standing and that should be enough for a decent atmosphere..
Also if City decided to do what you suggested and make both ends safe standing do you think they would relocate the ones who prefer to sit at the same price as they pay now.

The corner of the east stand near the away fans 'singers corner' and the south stand lower are safe standing arent they? But people have stood for years.

Done nothing for long-term, continuous improvement

 

[mancityvstoke]

Exactly, it can be done without any equipment, as you said it just depends on who cba. An organised singing group is needed.



The corner of the east stand near the away fans 'singers corner' and the south stand lower are safe standing arent they? But people have stood for years.

Done nothing for long-term, continuous improvement

Stood there (SSL1) for years when it was the key 103 stand....hassled by showsec every game and even I got arrested for persistent standing ffs

 

[Man_City_Loyal]

Stood there (SSL1) for years when it was the key 103 stand....hassled by showsec every game and even I got arrested for persistent standing ffs

I remember the tape they put around the 2/3 rows of seats back in the early days to send out a message.

Sad really :(

 

[mancityvstoke]

I remember the tape they put around the 2/3 rows of seats back in the early days to send out a message.

Sad really :(

I gatecrashed a points of blue meeting to tell them criminalising fans for trying to create an atmosphere and stand up wasn't a good look. They didn't hassle us again.