Atmosphere - 2023/24

[Gray]

I dont agree. I think it’s only a recent thing where people are more reserved at the football. Go to the darts or horse racing and the crowds aren’t reserved at all. It’s the same with away games.

Even if you go to a wider context, such as a festival or a night out in Manchester at the weekend. In general if it’s affordable and there’s booze we aren’t reserved at all

Not everybody in a football stadium is tanked up though.

 

[Manchester33]

Not everybody in a football stadium is tanked up though.

If they were, the atmosphere would be better.

 

[paulchapo]

Not only has Pep never gone that far, he’s never done anything that any normal thinking person would disagree agree with.
This forum just has too many touchy fuckers who love to be pissed off over anything and everything.

It's not just this forum though is it? You hear long standing fans of other clubs moaning they are being priced out of going, that they are fed up of tourists taking selfies and cheering opposition goals in the home end as they don't know the protocol in this country and get a slap and/or are booted out as a result.

Clubs can't have it all ways. They want the tourists spending £60+ for a ticket, then another £200 in the club shop, then moan when they don't generate an atmosphere. Tough shit you reap what you sow.

Hard working fans struggling to afford to go to games don't like being lectured to by millionaire managers and players either. It has a detrimental effect, people are more likely to think fuck you rather than be inspired by it.

As for our fans specifically we have always been different and loved a moan. Fuck me we've had plenty to moan about over the years. It's also a Mancunian trait, moody and morose, it's in our blood. I blame the weather lol.

 

[give it to gordon]

It's not just this forum though is it? You hear long standing fans of other clubs moaning they are being priced out of going, that they are fed up of tourists taking selfies and cheering opposition goals in the home end as they don't know the protocol in this country and get a slap and/or are booted out as a result.

Clubs can't have it all ways. They want the tourists spending £60+ for a ticket, then another £200 in the club shop, then moan when they don't generate an atmosphere. Tough shit you reap what you sow.

Hard working fans struggling to afford to go to games don't like being lectured to by millionaire managers and players either. It has a detrimental effect, people are more likely to think fuck you rather than be inspired by it.

As for our fans specifically we have always been different and loved a moan. Fuck me we've had plenty to moan about over the years. It's also a Mancunian trait, moody and morose, it's in our blood. I blame the weather lol.

It's not the weather I move saff 57 yrs ago and I'm still a moody little fucker lol

 

[paulchapo]

It's not the weather I move saff 57 yrs ago and I'm still a moody little fucker lol

Ha ha! This reminds me of an entertainer I knew in Tenerife from Accrington. He was chatting between songs and said, "I went home last week, bloody depressing. As I peered through the rain and gloom at all the poverty, closed down shops and desolation I thought, Ian, you really need to do something about this. So I did. I jumped back on a plane to Tenerife!"

 

[NJMCFC184]

Saw Koresh moaning but tbf to Liverpool fans I saw a tweet of a fan saying they were handing out flyers asking all fans sit down , we have it at Etihad with Pep moaning and the people he's usually moaning at sat behind him are corporate, need a big shake up over here.

Always said this "big 4" or "big 6" shit off the media doesn't help. Basically saying fans shouldn't care if your playing Palace, Bournemouth, Burnley etc so some fans go along with it and feel they only need to get up for fellow top teams.

 

[Donmcfc]

Not everybody in a football stadium is tanked up though.

It should be compulsory.

 

[its a Barm]

Free beer at every game to all that went to york should do it.

 

[LEXSTARproject]

The atmosphere each set of supporters can generate is cyclical and changes over time. Usually, fans create a brilliant atmosphere when they overperform (or underperform).

Here are some examples:

1. Newcastle are having their best period in the last two decades. Fans are brilliant and loud right now. When they got relegated, their gates were much lower, and the atmosphere was very poor.

2. Arsenal fans have improved in the last two/three years. No coincidence that they're back in the Champions League and challenging for the league title. For the previous decade, they were amongst the worst in the country for noise.

3. Stoke was heralded as one of the toughest away games in the country and their fans dubbed the noisiest when they had just come into the Premier League. Now they're an average championship club they barely fill half the stadium.

4. Leeds fans were mostly brilliant in the PL, but a couple of years earlier they were getting tiny gates for most games.

5. Does anyone remember Bolton under Big Sam? They got that place rocking often. Now, again, they struggle to fill half of the stadium, and it's silent.

6. Everton have been terrible the last few seasons, but their support in last season's 'run in' was pretty special. Other than the odd game there when they can raise the atmosphere, their support (especially away from home) is really, really quiet.

There are tons of examples, and each club will have their own periods where they've had brilliant atmospheres and shit atmospheres. The key influence on this is over/underachieving compared to their own club's recent history.

For us, our 'standard' season is winning the Premier League now. It's really hard to overperform for us. If we had a shit season, our atmosphere would probably be defiant and brilliant... better than what it would be if we cruised to another Premier League trophy.

There are things clubs can do to alter the atmosphere slightly (logistics, pricing, infrastructure, engagement), but on the whole, they'll have a much lesser effect than what's happening on the pitch.

@Manchester33 you and 1894 and City Matters have the power to sort this part out "There are things clubs can do to alter the atmosphere slightly (logistics, pricing, infrastructure, engagement), but on the whole, they'll have a much lesser effect than what's happening on the pitch."

To sort the stadium out once and for all, all the signing fans need to be in one section, it works everywhere else, the new North Stand is Manchester City's chance to get it right.

The Danny Wilson of this world needs to listen to the Jurgen Klopp and Pep of this world as the atmosphere is key to teams, to answer once and for all chanting when something happening on the pitch does not work as city play a passing game there not always something to cheer. So introducing City's answer to the Ashburton Army is a must as every club in the world now has these types of fans. Both Pep and Jurgen have managed in Germany and now the importance of the ultra section in the ground to cheer the teams on.

The new North Stand needs to be all safe standing except the Sky Bar section, we need to copy what has been done with Spurs and Everton sound stands not go the opposite way

 

[Brightwell Bros.]

I'm intrigued by the dynamics at Liverpool of opening that big old stand without a pre-existing organized fan culture. Some serious lessons to be learned at City, there...

That said, for all the talk from managers Liverpool, like City, have played a lot and lot of football in recent seasons. It is hard to treat every game like a final when you've had the highs of multiple actual finals.