Atmosphere - 2023/24

[Manchester33]

@Manchester33 you and 1894 and City Matters have the power to sort this part out "There are things clubs can do to alter the atmosphere slightly (logistics, pricing, infrastructure, engagement), but on the whole, they'll have a much lesser effect than what's happening on the pitch."

To sort the stadium out once and for all, all the signing fans need to be in one section, it works everywhere else, the new North Stand is Manchester City's chance to get it right.

The Danny Wilson of this world needs to listen to the Jurgen Klopp and Pep of this world as the atmosphere is key to teams, to answer once and for all chanting when something happening on the pitch does not work as city play a passing game there not always something to cheer. So introducing City's answer to the Ashburton Army is a must as every club in the world now has these types of fans. Both Pep and Jurgen have managed in Germany and now the importance of the ultra section in the ground to cheer the teams on.

The new North Stand needs to be all safe standing except the Sky Bar section, we need to copy what has been done with Spurs and Everton sound stands not go the opposite way

We are trying our best.

FYI, we have met with City about the North Stand and given our perspective. Whether or not it will fall on deaf ears, I don't know. (In my opinion) The clubs' primary goal for extending the stand is to increase revenue. The atmosphere is a second point they claim to care about.

North Stand development has provisions in place for rail seating throughout (that won't be affected by the walking ambulant seating).

Our biggest gripe was the location of the GA+ tickets and ensuring the extension means more affordable tickets.

I get your point about the Ashburton army styled support, but I honestly do not think our fans as a whole would buy into it. We have tried certain things (drums/megaphones), and on the whole, the people doing it just get shit off hundreds of blues. It might work elsewhere in the stadium (like the current North Stand), but the culture in the South Stand is completely different and not overly welcoming for that style of support. I think there are good alternatives to this that I've been trying to introduce into the Etihad for a few years now..

The best example I can give is we had 3 corrugated metal strips installed on the floor towards the back of 115. The plan was that fans could stamp on them to make a beat. When we tested it in an empty stadium, it was brilliant (we could hear from the north stand very clearly), but when the row is full, and people stand on it, or multiple people try banging it at once, it didn't work. Since then, we've had an engineer (City fan who is also an 1894 member) draw up designs for individual corrugated metal sheets that could be installed on the Rails across the South Stand. Again, fans could kick or bang them (which would be louder than clapping along to a song). So far, the club hasn't had much appetite to try this, so we are where we are - despite having found a place in Stockport that would build them for us.

The point with this is that it helps us generate a better atmosphere in a more traditional British style.

 

[Eric Hitchmough]

We are trying our best.

FYI, we have met with City about the North Stand and given our perspective. Whether or not it will fall on deaf ears, I don't know. (In my opinion) The clubs' primary goal for extending the stand is to increase revenue. The atmosphere is a second point they claim to care about.

North Stand development has provisions in place for rail seating throughout (that won't be affected by the walking ambulant seating).

Our biggest gripe was the location of the GA+ tickets and ensuring the extension means more affordable tickets.

I get your point about the Ashburton army styled support, but I honestly do not think our fans as a whole would buy into it. We have tried certain things (drums/megaphones), and on the whole, the people doing it just get shit off hundreds of blues. It might work elsewhere in the stadium (like the current North Stand), but the culture in the South Stand is completely different and not overly welcoming for that style of support. I think there are good alternatives to this that I've been trying to introduce into the Etihad for a few years now..

The best example I can give is we had 3 corrugated metal strips installed on the floor towards the back of 115. The plan was that fans could stamp on them to make a beat. When we tested it in an empty stadium, it was brilliant (we could hear from the north stand very clearly), but when the row is full, and people stand on it, or multiple people try banging it at once, it didn't work. Since then, we've had an engineer (City fan who is also an 1894 member) draw up designs for individual corrugated metal sheets that could be installed on the Rails across the South Stand. Again, fans could kick or bang them (which would be louder than clapping along to a song). So far, the club hasn't had much appetite to try this, so we are where we are - despite having found a place in Stockport that would build them for us.

The point with this is that it helps us generate a better atmosphere in a more traditional British style.

You’re doing a cracking job mate against a backdrop of many wildly differing opinions while trying to convince the club to stop simply seeing dollar signs.

What is the general vibe you get from Danny Wilson? Are his hands tied or is scepticism his default?

 

[Manchester33]

You’re doing a cracking job mate against a backdrop of many wildly differing opinions while trying to convince the club to stop simply seeing dollar signs.

What is the general vibe you get from Danny Wilson? Are his hands tied or is he just sceptical?

Thanks. We'll keep trying our best.

Danny is a really nice bloke when you meet him. I think he tries his best and he agrees with a lot of the points we make. Generally, the people we deal with at City are all brilliant, intelligent, hard-working people.

I think there are so many spinning plates at City that the atmosphere generally is quite far down the list of priorities. Danny wants a better atmosphere, but he is also a realist, and the fact of the matter is we generate less than half the match-day revenue compared to United. A clear business case exists to extend the North Stand and fill it with corporates and expensive match day tickets. That's what pays these people's wages - not us lot singing and making a racket every other weekend. It's also worth mentioning that Danny is one of a dozen (or so) influential people involved in this though. So what he pushes for might not be what someone like Roel is pushing for.

That doesn't mean that both parties can't win, and I'm hoping that we can find a good middle ground, but let's see.

 

[Eric Hitchmough]

Thanks. We'll keep trying our best.

Danny is a really nice bloke when you meet him. I think he tries his best and he agrees with a lot of the points we make. Generally, the people we deal with at City are all brilliant, intelligent, hard-working people.

I think there are so many spinning plates at City that the atmosphere generally is quite far down the list of priorities. Danny wants a better atmosphere, but he is also a realist, and the fact of the matter is we generate less than half the match-day revenue compared to United. A clear business case exists to extend the North Stand and fill it with corporates and expensive match day tickets. That's what pays these people's wages - not us lot singing and making a racket every other weekend. It's also worth mentioning that Danny is one of a dozen (or so) influential people involved in this though. So what he pushes for might not be what someone like Roel is pushing for.

That doesn't mean that both parties can't win, and I'm hoping that we can find a good middle ground, but let's see.

Really interesting insight. Hopefully he keeps pushing, and at the very least a compromise can be struck that suits all parties. Easier said than done, I’m sure.

Keep fighting the good fight anyway mate. I know I’m not the only one who very much appreciates it.

 

[LEXSTARproject]

Thanks. We'll keep trying our best.

Danny is a really nice bloke when you meet him. I think he tries his best and he agrees with a lot of the points we make. Generally, the people we deal with at City are all brilliant, intelligent, hard-working people.

I think there are so many spinning plates at City that the atmosphere generally is quite far down the list of priorities. Danny wants a better atmosphere, but he is also a realist, and the fact of the matter is we generate less than half the match-day revenue compared to United. A clear business case exists to extend the North Stand and fill it with corporates and expensive match day tickets. That's what pays these people's wages - not us lot singing and making a racket every other weekend. It's also worth mentioning that Danny is one of a dozen (or so) influential people involved in this though. So what he pushes for might not be what someone like Roel is pushing for.

That doesn't mean that both parties can't win, and I'm hoping that we can find a good middle ground, but let's see

@Manchester33 thanks for the reply, You and certain members at City Matters are trying your best, so if Danny Wilson is with you, who in the club is making it try to go the opposite way.

To make the North Stand full of the same kind of supporters we need to copy what work elsewhere LAFC have done with the 3252 which is a supporters section in their version of the Yellow Wall at their stadium.

There could be a massive group called The Kippax for example and the 1894 would be part of that but keeping its own identity. The Kippax would be in control of the North Stand and would speak to the club on matters regarding it, it would come with its own website and social making it open to everyone who wants to join.

The media have now picked up on what Jurgen Klopp has said, but they are coming out with the usual rubbish, people are phoning in saying that the stands are full of tourists, you have your tourists but have so ultra section you would not have them as this is where the core support is with access via website

The 3252

the3252.net

 

[Dodge]

Thanks. We'll keep trying our best.

Danny is a really nice bloke when you meet him. I think he tries his best and he agrees with a lot of the points we make. Generally, the people we deal with at City are all brilliant, intelligent, hard-working people.

I think there are so many spinning plates at City that the atmosphere generally is quite far down the list of priorities. Danny wants a better atmosphere, but he is also a realist, and the fact of the matter is we generate less than half the match-day revenue compared to United. A clear business case exists to extend the North Stand and fill it with corporates and expensive match day tickets. That's what pays these people's wages - not us lot singing and making a racket every other weekend. It's also worth mentioning that Danny is one of a dozen (or so) influential people involved in this though. So what he pushes for might not be what someone like Roel is pushing for.

That doesn't mean that both parties can't win, and I'm hoping that we can find a good middle ground, but let's see.

Keep fighting the good fight mate.

In your meetings with Danny, have you brought up the shambles at Istanbul? It may be more a City Matters thing, but just thought I'd ask.

I still find it incomprehensible that the Club still haven't commented in support of its travelling fans.

Winds me up no end.

 

[Manchester33]

Keep fighting the good fight mate.

In your meetings with Danny, have you brought up the shambles at Istanbul? It may be more a City Matters thing, but just thought I'd ask.

I still find it incomprehensible that the Club still haven't commented in support of its travelling fans.

Winds me up no end.

I personally have not, however I know Alex in City Matters has done tons of work on this. He’s a top, top guy and if every city fan knew the time and effort he’d put in to it, I doubt he’d ever have to buy himself a pint again!

 

[Corky]

@Manchester33 thanks for the reply, You and certain members at City Matters are trying your best, so if Danny Wilson is with you, who in the club is making it try to go the opposite way.

To make the North Stand full of the same kind of supporters we need to copy what work elsewhere LAFC have done with the 3252 which is a supporters section in their version of the Yellow Wall at their stadium.

There could be a massive group called The Kippax for example and the 1894 would be part of that but keeping its own identity. The Kippax would be in control of the North Stand and would speak to the club on matters regarding it, it would come with its own website and social making it open to everyone who wants to join.

The media have now picked up on what Jurgen Klopp has said, but they are coming out with the usual rubbish, people are phoning in saying that the stands are full of tourists, you have your tourists but have so ultra section you would not have them as this is where the core support is with access via website

The 3252

the3252.net

That MUFC (unfortunate) link is about a club that started in 2017 in the MLS and play in an empty Baseball Stadium. They are desperately copying everyone else to pretend to be 'real'.

 

[Prophet of Doom]

@Manchester33 thanks for the reply, You and certain members at City Matters are trying your best, so if Danny Wilson is with you, who in the club is making it try to go the opposite way.

To make the North Stand full of the same kind of supporters we need to copy what work elsewhere LAFC have done with the 3252 which is a supporters section in their version of the Yellow Wall at their stadium.

There could be a massive group called The Kippax for example and the 1894 would be part of that but keeping its own identity. The Kippax would be in control of the North Stand and would speak to the club on matters regarding it, it would come with its own website and social making it open to everyone who wants to join.

The media have now picked up on what Jurgen Klopp has said, but they are coming out with the usual rubbish, people are phoning in saying that the stands are full of tourists, you have your tourists but have so ultra section you would not have them as this is where the core support is with access via website

The 3252

the3252.net

Christ almighty !! You post some shite on here but that has jumped the shark.

‘Massive group called The Kippax controlling the North Stamd’ hahaha wtf.

Do you know anything about English football culture ?

 

[Eric Hitchmough]

Christ almighty !! You post some shite on here but that has jumped the shark.

‘Massive group called The Kippax controlling the North Stamd’ hahaha wtf.

Do you know anything about English football culture ?

He’s trying to help mate. You might not agree with his views but do you really have to belittle him?

Maybe share some of your ideas.