Atmosphere 2024/25

[urban genie]

Though our Atmosphere is bad at times.
English grounds being four stand chorus lines throughout 90 mins is a myth and obsessing over it some rosy retrospection which legacy blues, myself included are all guilty of

unfortunately most grounds are flat unless the team are giving them something to get up for, goal, bad reffing, exciting attacks, fans more now than ever are more reactive than proactive across the league

Anfield is a great example, after their tv shot it's 89 mins of silence for 90% of games, forest last week was a morgue until their goal, Fulham, Everton, the swamp I could go on, all shite.

Our ground is shite acoustically, level 1 cannot hear level 3 and vice versa, how do you create a cohesive voice if 110/111 are singing one song 114-118 another then the maybe 50-80 or so in 119-121 who sing are staring something else and level 3 having their own singalong.

Realistically teir 2 or this new "wall" would be the best place for singers, melody travels horizontally not upwards or downwards

 

[thegoatsthegoat]

After his first game when we beat Chelsea he was buzzing with the atmosphere. That was the best atmosphere of the season.

The best example of my post above, a quick starting game. An exciting game where we played direct, a rarity this season. It then leads to a better atmosphere

 

[mexico1970]

No wonder Marmoush was constantly throwing his arms up and down at us, and the South stand, trying to get a reaction, and trying to get us to sing and to support the team.

Coming from the support at Frankfurt to the support at City.

Fast forward to 8:45. Stick with it for a bit The Frankfurt home end and the atmosphere they generate is shown constantly throughout the video during the match. (Frankfurt v B.Dortmund)

To be fair the German teams haven't priced their fans out of the stadium and they still rely on their season card holders, this means that the club has more of a connection with the local fans.

 

[.db.]

To be fair the German teams haven't priced their fans out of the stadium and they still rely on their season card holders, this means that the club has more of a connection with the local fans.


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And what that doesn’t show is the sheer amount of cheap tickets.

There aren’t 1,200 that I was once told there are at City - Bayern have 16,000 of the cheaper tickets, Dortmund 18,000, others at a percentage similar to those.

 

[BringBackSwales]

Yesterday was upsettingly bad. Normally the problem is that not many people join in but there are still plenty of songs, but yesterday there was barely any singing full stop, that’s certainly how it sounded from the family stand. It feels like we have all convinced ourselves that there’s no atmosphere, too many tourists, club don’t give a shit (all of which are probably true) but that everyone has suddenly given up. Really sad, and actually the league atmosphere has gone from average to shit very quickly

 

[mexico1970]

And what that doesn’t show is the sheer amount of cheap tickets.

There aren’t 1,200 that I was once told there are at City - Bayern have 16,000 of the cheaper tickets, Dortmund 18,000, others at a percentage similar to those.

Clubs want it like the theater and then people wonder where the atmosphere has gone when it eventually becomes the theater. Not only that some fans support what the club does when they make changes even though in reality the club is just basting Turkeys before they lob them in the oven.

Yesterday I admit I was sat on my hands a bit but the team wasn't motivating me either, the whole show was "Un-motivating".

For an atmosphere you need groups of young lads who are friends going to the match every week, but the club and the police probably don't want that, so it's Jamie Olivers pies and another sterile experience socially engineered by the authorities.

 

[jrb]

To be fair the German teams haven't priced their fans out of the stadium and they still rely on their season card holders, this means that the club has more of a connection with the local fans.


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They have.

The Directors at City are charging kids £30+ for one of the lesser PL games in our singing and safe standing section.

But the message from the Dortmund fans was factually correct: While the average cost of a Bundesliga standing season ticket last season was €196.80 ($214.72), on Dortmund's South Stand, the famous Yellow Wall, it cost €240 (€14.12 per game), up from €219 in the last pre-pandemic season.

The link is here with the graph you posted.

Bundesliga price check 2023-24: The cost of German football – DW – 08/18/2023

German football is known for its relative affordability, with inexpensive standing tickets and public transport included. But how cheap is it really? Ahead of the 2023-24 season, DW takes a closer look.

www.dw.com

 

[BringBackSwales]

Clubs want it like the theater and then people wonder where the atmosphere has gone when it eventually becomes the theater. Not only that some fans support what the club does when they make changes even though in reality the club is just basting Turkeys before they lob them in the oven.

Yesterday I admit I was sat on my hands a bit but the team wasn't motivating me either, the whole show was "Un-motivating".

For an atmosphere you need groups of young lads who are friends going to the match every week, but the club and the police probably don't want that, so it's Jamie Olivers pies and another sterile experience socially engineered by the authorities.

I agree that the club are complicit and primarily responsible pal, but surely as fans, all over the ground, we have a responsibility to do a lot fucking better than we did yesterday? Being outsung at home by Brighton and fucking hove albion, that’s a definite first

 

[give it to gordon]

We always try to get into the south stand as it's always been the 'singing area'.
Yesterday was the first time this season we have got into 315 and I was shocked how quite it was.
Didn't seem to be many tourists, seem people knew each other. But for some reason it was flat.

As I mentioned early the last 10 minutes of the first when City were getting stuck I to challenges lifted the crowd.
This slow build up is killing any chance of getting and atmosphere going. Pep has always played this style but this is a real slow style of it !
The amount of times we broke with pace got to the box than the ball would end up on the half way line. It bored me senseless.

I'm 65 this year perhaps it just me, the 11hr car journey isn't fun anymore, the games aren't great as most teams would park the bus ( Brighton didn't ) and I don't find that entertaining. Than the problem with tickets and prices.

Perhaps if I was local I would feel different but doing the journey we do to watch attack v defence. Or City's slow ponderous play, lack of atmosphere, tourists, perhaps the fire has gone out to attend matches

 

[GOULDYBOBS]

Just left the ground and I have never been more disappointed with our match going fans, a crucial game and end to end entertainment but absolutely silent, really really poor.

Said the same. I was shouting at blues to get behind the team. This is 115 south stand

 

[mexico1970]

They have.

The Directors at City are charging kids £30+ for one of the lesser PL games in our singing and safe standing section.

But the message from the Dortmund fans was factually correct: While the average cost of a Bundesliga standing season ticket last season was €196.80 ($214.72), on Dortmund's South Stand, the famous Yellow Wall, it cost €240 (€14.12 per game), up from €219 in the last pre-pandemic season.

The link is here with the graph you posted.

Bundesliga price check 2023-24: The cost of German football – DW – 08/18/2023

German football is known for its relative affordability, with inexpensive standing tickets and public transport included. But how cheap is it really? Ahead of the 2023-24 season, DW takes a closer look.

www.dw.com

Still ridiculously cheap compared to the ticket prices in the premiership, if Germans think that's being priced out there is no hope for them.

But good work keeping the ticket prices reasonably so people can still attend, I will wager they can get more tickets in blocks of two than we can as well.

 

[jrb]

I sensed for the first time, possibly, that the South stand as a whole had given up supporting the team yesterday . Yes they were pockets of fans and chants throughout the match, but as a whole, the South stand was very quiet for most of the game.

I thought the Brighton fans on L1 were great. On of the best at the Etihad this season. They had quite a big group of lads at the back of the away end singing constantly, that spread to to the Brighton fans below. Not having SSL3 certainly worked in their favour. It didn’t dilute or spread the Brighton singers over 3 tiers, with a full allocation.

 

[mexico1970]

I agree that the club are complicit and primarily responsible pal, but surely as fans, all over the ground, we have a responsibility to do a lot fucking better than we did yesterday?

I agree mate 100%, but when I look around I see lots of people who are now older, what's needed for a constant atmosphere is new young blood.

That isn't going to happen though really so it is what it is.

 

[Jazzyblue]

Atmosphere wasn’t terrible yesterday but there was a ridiculous amount of people who appeared to be influencers taking the constant selfie-taking and duck face poses to parody levels. I’ve long tried to be fair about the so-called ‘tourism’ situation but the number of Instagram and phone addicts is in danger of getting silly. If the new NS isn’t to be a home end I hope the club can lure some of the people who go to the match because they think it’s fashionable there and free up the rest of the ground for people who actually want to see the football. It’s clearly not just us - it’s happening across the Premier League and PSR is not helping - but this season the number half and halves seems to have accelerated.

 

[.db.]

Said the same. I was shouting at blues to get behind the team. This is 115 south stand

I was doing the same around me.

Bad thing about this thread is that all the contributors are those who want a good atmosphere and give it a good go in the ground. Those we are telling in the ground and trying to reach out to in this thread, probably never venture into this thread.

We are just like minded fans talking amongst ourselves about a problem that lies elsewhere.

 

[uwerosler28]

I sensed for the first time, possibly, that the South stand as a whole had given up supporting the team yesterday . Yes they were pockets of fans and chants throughout the match, but as a whole, the South stand was very quiet for most of the game.

I thought the Brighton fans on L1 were great. On of the best at the Etihad this season. They had quite a big group of lads at the back of the away end singing constantly, that spread to to the Brighton fans below. Not having SSL3 certainly worked in their favour. It didn’t dilute or spread the Brighton singers over 3 tiers, with a full allocation.

I'm certain they took all 3 tiers yesterday, looked like it from where I was sat.

 

[BringBackSwales]

I agree mate 100%, but when I look around I see lots of people who are now older, what's needed for a constant atmosphere is new young blood.

That isn't going to happen though really so it is what it is.

I am 65, sat in the family stand, and manage to sing. It’s not that hard? As a fanbase we seem to be working hard to convince ourselves that there is no point any more. It’s got really noticeably and materially worse in the last month or two. The fanbase hasn’t suddenly aged in a month

 

[BringBackSwales]

I'm certain they took all 3 tiers yesterday, looked like it from where I was sat.

Yeah they did

 

[mexico1970]

I am 65, sat in the family stand, and manage to sing. It’s not that hard? As a fanbase we seem to be working hard to convince ourselves that there is no point any more. It’s got really noticeably and materially worse in the last month or two. The fanbase hasn’t suddenly aged in a month

I don't think we are mate, I am going to go one step further with my assessment of the situation.

Football clubs are ripping the heart out of what we thought of as a traditional day out, the only way back is bringing youth back and make it affordable. If the people surrounding me got up too fast they'd crack a fucking rib ;-)

 

[give it to gordon]

I agree mate 100%, but when I look around I see lots of people who are now older, what's needed for a constant atmosphere is new young blood.

That isn't going to happen though really so it is what it is.

Yesterday
Tickets & fuel cost me 200quid add on a beer and food 250quid for a bog standard pl game.
I pay this because my lad (27) I want him to be the new blood but if I don't pay for him he can't afford to go.
I haven't really enjoyed game since the villa 3-2 game.
We had great night's in the CL, RM, PSG etc we have seen Messi, naymer, Mbappe for less than we pay for pl games. Now we don't qualify for these games as we can't afford to attend 3 group games.
Once my lad says he doesn't fancy going that's us both stopped. I go now really only so my son can live the next 40yrs going to City like his dad (me) grandad and great grandad. Sadly I think I'm going to be the last, he simply can afford these prices , what with the cost of living nowadays. Plus going to matches has changed so much since he first went 20years ago.
We have great memories of trips, like me setting his car on fire , or some roadrage knobhead waving a knife at us, or someone knobhead crashing into the car. Great times.

Football in 2025 isn't great. It's not just City nearly every pl club is the same. My lad wanted to look at the Oasis/City hoodie in the City shop, I thought I had be transport to China lol.

Sorry for the moan but I never thought I wouldn't like attending City matches. It's something hard to accept that I don't enjoy matches anymore.

I sat quietly in 315 something I've never done before, accepting I'm almost done.


Something has changed at City and it's not for me thanks.