The Future`s Bright, The Future`s Blue - What is the best chance of lifting the atmosphere?
Ten goals, debutants scoring and performing well, 11 points above the rags and ragettes, League Cup semi-final, well placed in the Champions League, FA Cup draw on Monday, second in the PL and a new stand to open in 2026.
There is much to look forward to.
We are all on the same side here. Differences of opinion are bound to exist. However, if we focus on the facts and be objective there remains a good chance of real progress.
Lets work together. We are now at a crucial point where well thought through proposals about what is the best chance of improving the atmosphere in the stadium can be taken forward.
There is time for the leadership of the atmosphere group to pause and an opportunity for mature reflection.
It is very important to have the debate through this forum, especially now that atmosphere group have taken an early stance to consolidate in the small South Stand lower. This seems unnecessarily premature as does the questionnaire which is weighted towards the South Stand as other posters have mentioned.
Reasonable questions have been asked on this forum to try and understand the logic of the atmosphere group`s current stance.
Despite the best efforts from active fans, fundamentally there are inherent issues with the South Stand that cannot be overcome if CITY want a proper home end.
Atmosphere Improvement
All views are welcome. Lets focus on facts.
The club is investing significantly in the North Stand and surrounds the benefit of CITY fans and to help ensure the financial sustainability of the club for the long term. Further information on the North Stand is intended to be released in 2026.
We must make the most of this opportunity.
The best chance is to give backing to the North Stand, accept that some will want to remain in the South Stand, and for as many as possible from the atmosphere group to review their position and set up in the North Stand. Let us have unity and common sense.
North Stand - Advantages - Large on ONE level - 9,500 seats * / safe standing
What do you agree with below?
What do you not agree with and why?
- One large home end.
- New, wrap-round design, better acoustics, visually impressive and dominant.
3,000 minimum rail seats /safe standing.
- 1,500 ? extra rail seats can be incorporated down part of both sides.
- 4,700? General Admission (GA) seats.
- There is more chance these fans will join in the singing. The rear and the side rail seats (if added) will envelop the GA. The sound will BOOM from the back and below. More fans will be able join in on ONE level.
- Pricing - lower priced rail seats compared with the existing South Stand lower level.
- 3,000 rail seats will probably be the cheapest in the stadium.
- No impact on the majority of existing fans in the current North Stand on the new level.
- 300 GA+ seats near the front of the huge, new level will have no impact on the atmosphere that can be generated by 9,200 fans behind.
- A proper, big, dominant, visually impressive home end on level 2.
- Flags can be prominent as they are in Newcastle`s home end opposite the away fans.
- Not split for PL matches and not allocated to away fans for cup matches.
- A real and great opportunity for a new beginning, refresh and renewal.
*seating figures are estimates.
North Stand - Disadvantages
What are the downsides ?
Are they of any real significance compared with the advantages?
South Stand - Disadvantages
What do you agree with below?
What do you not agree with and why?
- Split over 3 levels
- No cohesion between the 3 different levels. The upper tier is separated from the lower tier which it cannot see and often cannot be heard.
- Too small with a low rake at the lower level
- Sound deadening overhang at the rear of the lower level.
- Not a `proper, complete end by any definition or in comparison with other clubs.
- The middle and upper levels are allocated to away fans for cup matches. They usually dominate the singing.
- The SS design does not work well for atmosphere. It does not seem to be improving.
- There is little scope for it to be much better due to the stand`s layout.
- Away fans will always be located in the SS due to access and egress, a dedicated coach / car park and police / health and safety requirements.
- Pricing - the lower level safe standing higher priced compared with the rear of level 3.
- Barely visible on TV.
South Stand Level 1 - Advantages - 3,000 safe standing
1. It is currently an area where the best atmosphere is generated more frequently.
2. It has an active group who have put in time and effort in building mainly the lower 1 into a safe standing area.
3. Displays.
They are only visible for a short time, pre-match before being rolled away. The amount of time, effort, and cost of displays is significant.
How much of an atmosphere generator, are the displays?
4. Some fans are settled and prefer level 1 viewing.
5. Some fans prefer `banter` with away fans.
How does this contribute to the atmosphere and supporting the team?
6. Some like the type of facilities on the level 1 concourse.
What will be the better chance of improving the atmosphere? One large North Stand on ONE level, or a small, split, lower South Stand?