Atmosphere tonight

[FanchesterCity]

Since when has it been a rule that fans must create an atmosphere?

Who suggested it was a rule?
But a club can't create an atmosphere... it can only create an environment that might help one to exist.

The reason the fans have to create the atmosphere is because I've yet to hear of any club managing to produce one in an empty stadium. Ergo it's not a rule that fans have to create it, it's just the logical conclusion.

Atmosphere comes from the fans, inside and outside of the ground.

You did because you are saying all City fans should blame themselves.

I never once said ALL City fans, but the fact remains, if 'we' as a group of fans want a lively atmosphere, we have to create one ourselves and not be looking to others. If you'd read my posts, I've said clearly that if someone doesn't want to sing, or doesn't want to chant, then that's up to them, and nobody should be forced. But one of the big attractions at a 'big' game is the atmosphere, and in my opinion, and plenty of others too - fans are complaining about the atmosphere as thought it's something that just happens, and for them to enjoy, rather than for them to actually help create it.

 

[FanchesterCity]

Err why should you get it for £20 when I've paid good money up on level 3 for a seat.

This is why Blues on 'ere aren't employed in the relevant department in MCFC.

Because you've entered into a deal with the club that you were happy with, in order to guarantee your seat. If someone comes along later and gets a better deal, that's life. They also run the risk of not getting a ticket.

I buy a ST at a given price. If someone then gets a seat next to me for £15.00 on viagogo (or any other outlet), c'est la vie. Happens in most walks of life, football's no different.

Well if City followed your business logic then they'd be up shit creek without a paddle.

No they wouldn't, as this is precisely the model that works for businesses all over the world.

If you buy your holiday early, you are helping to be sure of the booking. Someone else can find the same holiday on last minute.com much later, but it's a risk to leave it late in the hope of a cheap deal. Sometimes it pays off, sometimes it doesn't.

This happens all the time in business - special deals can happen two weeks after you paid full price. If it happens every time, then sure, people will stop paying for a ST because they can get the same ticket cheaper on a match by match basis, but that's not what's happening is it? We are talking about specific games where we expect their to be a dip in attendance, and offering cut price tickets.
Everybody who buys a ST, or buys into the cup scheme knows the deal (or they should). City guarantee you'll get a seat, and usually you'll get it at a competitive price too - on the understanding you commit to buying. I don't see the problem if someone manages to get a cheaper ticket for some games. They didn't have a guarantee of their seat, and had we drawn some more attractive team in the CL, then they'd have been lucky to even get a ticket.

Your logic is that you paid a price you were happy with, but then get upset that another bloke got a better deal.

Over the course of a season, the average ST holder gets the best deal possible (compared with the average person buying on a game by game basis). The same with cup games (including CL). There will always be individual games where someone might actually get a better deal - that's life.

How you can seriously think that's not normal practice in EVERY sort of business is beyond me. From mobile phone deals, to Tesco's deals, to concert tickets. You too can 'benefit' from cheaper ticket deals... providing you're willing to risk missing out on games if cheaper tickets don't happen. The choice is yours.

 

[dobobobo]

Because you've entered into a deal with the club that you were happy with, in order to guarantee your seat. If someone comes along later and gets a better deal, that's life. They also run the risk of not getting a ticket.

I buy a ST at a given price. If someone then gets a seat next to me for £15.00 on viagogo (or any other outlet), c'est la vie. Happens in most walks of life, football's no different.

Well if City followed your business logic then they'd be up shit creek without a paddle.

No they wouldn't, as this is precisely the model that works for businesses all over the world.

If you buy your holiday early, you are helping to be sure of the booking. Someone else can find the same holiday on last minute.com much later, but it's a risk to leave it late in the hope of a cheap deal. Sometimes it pays off, sometimes it doesn't.

This happens all the time in business - special deals can happen two weeks after you paid full price. If it happens every time, then sure, people will stop paying for a ST because they can get the same ticket cheaper on a match by match basis, but that's not what's happening is it? We are talking about specific games where we expect their to be a dip in attendance, and offering cut price tickets.
Everybody who buys a ST, or buys into the cup scheme knows the deal (or they should). City guarantee you'll get a seat, and usually you'll get it at a competitive price too - on the understanding you commit to buying. I don't see the problem if someone manages to get a cheaper ticket for some games. They didn't have a guarantee of their seat, and had we drawn some more attractive team in the CL, then they'd have been lucky to even get a ticket.

Your logic is that you paid a price you were happy with, but then get upset that another bloke got a better deal.

Over the course of a season, the average ST holder gets the best deal possible (compared with the average person buying on a game by game basis). The same with cup games (including CL). There will always be individual games where someone might actually get a better deal - that's life.

How you can seriously think that's not normal practice in EVERY sort of business is beyond me. From mobile phone deals, to Tesco's deals, to concert tickets. You too can 'benefit' from cheaper ticket deals... providing you're willing to risk missing out on games if cheaper tickets don't happen. The choice is yours.

In regards to the bit in bold at top, not for football it don't.

As for the bit in bold at the bottom. Name when this happens.

If City went with your idea, I'd wait till the day of the match or whatever the latest point was where you can get the cheapest ticket and then see if I can get a ticket. If it became often that I couldn't get a ticket i'd fuck City off and use the money to pay for Sky and BT, plus I'd use streaming. Least that way I'm guranteed to watch the match instead of turning up to the ticket office and hope for the best, or order online after work and hope for the best. City need to maximise on profit using forecasting. So, they do this by planning the ticket pricing for all way in advance. If thousands of people all buy the tickets cheap then how is this beneficial, especially during FFP restrictions?

You've posted your business idea in a thread that is all about improving the atmosphere, if people are constantly scrambling for tickets then people would be seperated all over the place and not many people like that.

If your business idea was logical, it would already be in place.

 

[Stretford Born Blue]

Atmosphere is the character, feeling, or mood of a place or situation, or put another way, a feeling that the place has of being pleasant and interesting or exciting.
You have to achieve a connection between the spectator and the event. Creating an atmosphere is not only about generating as much noise as possible. It is also about making the fans feel they are part of an event and giving them an experience they could not get by watching it on television at home.
Ticket prices have gone up several hundred per cent since the formation of the Premier League. The age of the fans has therefore gone up, when the atmosphere was created by the younger working class fans. Therefore You have to price it accessibly so the younger, more boisterous fans are able to attend regularly, or put together in sections those fans who are passionate about vocally supporting their team and creating atmospheres.
City have the chance, due to expansion of doing just that.
Problem is, the location of the away fans, who can have a disproportionate effect on the atmosphere is also important. They can spark a reaction from home fans, while a lot of clubs have moved them up into the corner out of the way, hence why City will keep the away fans across the 3 tiers in the South Stand, moving them out of the way doesn't always create a better atmosphere.
When it comes to atmosphere, clubs could learn a lot from Germany's Bundesliga, where standing sections exist and tickets can cost a fraction of our Premiership equivalents.
It's about pricing, standing sections and large areas that can create noise, The Cop, Dortmund etc.
Until that happens, we best just try and make do.

 

[jrb]

Well.

Considering how much we beat ourselves up about the atmosphere at the Etihad, Villa Park was hardly rocking.

Apart from less than 50-100 Villa fans singing every now and again in the corner next to the City fans, and the Holt End, singing a couple of times, you could hear a pin drop at Villa Park, apart from the City fans.

 

[law74]

Well.

Considering how much we beat ourselves up about the atmosphere at the Etihad, Villa Park was hardly rocking.

Apart from less than 50-100 Villa fans singing every now and again in the corner next to the City fans, and the Holt End, singing a couple of times, you could hear a pin drop at Villa Park, apart from the City fans.

Cant have been cause I have been reading on here that all we need is to move the away fans into the best seats in the ground, create one end of all City fans like the kop or the holte and the ground will be rocking again like it always was at Maine Road (apart from games when sides like Wimbledon's 50 fans made more noise than us)

 

[M18CTID]

Well.

Considering how much we beat ourselves up about the atmosphere at the Etihad, Villa Park was hardly rocking.

Apart from less than 50-100 Villa fans singing every now and again in the corner next to the City fans, and the Holt End, singing a couple of times, you could hear a pin drop at Villa Park, apart from the City fans.

Cant have been cause I have been reading on here that all we need is to move the away fans into the best seats in the ground, create one end of all City fans like the kop or the holte and the ground will be rocking again like it always was at Maine Road (apart from games when sides like Wimbledon's 50 fans made more noise than us)

Ha ha - I remember one particular game against Wimbledon around 1991-ish when instead of standing in my usual spot in the top left hand corner of the Kippax I took up a spot on Windy Corner instead. Despite the Wimbledon fans being at the other end of the ground in the Platt Lane you could clearly hear them out-singing us for the majority of the match while we barely mustered a whimper in return!

 

[whp.blue]

I can't believe people are still banging on about this the reality is quite simple


The atmosphere in the old days was made by the drunken working class blokes who sang non PC songs about Munich etc and how much they hated our rivals almost as much as they sang about City the last few of these are probably the exact same fans who break the rules and stand up or smoke in the toilets.
But now.

The fans who make the most noise are now out numbered by the fans who don't want them there. The demographic of the fans has changed forever and the only way it may change back is if the Club find a way to bring back very cheap standing and the other elephant in the room is the loyalty point system and the pricing that prevents younger lads getting to away games.

Our ageing middle class fan base is winning this battle to keep the drunken Manc yobs in their place at City. I know a lot of lads from Wythenshawe who are Blue through and through who no longer go to any City games because if the stand up and make a noise or swear the get kicked out and when they pay so much for a ticket a three match ban is a piss take

 

[Cheadle_hulmeBlue]

I can't believe people are still banging on about this the reality is quite simple


The atmosphere in the old days was made by the drunken working class blokes who sang non PC songs about Munich etc and how much they hated our rivals almost as much as they sang about City the last few of these are probably the exact same fans who break the rules and stand up or smoke in the toilets.
But now.

The fans who make the most noise are now out numbered by the fans who don't want them there. The demographic of the fans has changed forever and the only way it may change back is if the Club find a way to bring back very cheap standing and the other elephant in the room is the loyalty point system and the pricing that prevents younger lads getting to away games.

Our ageing middle class fan base is winning this battle to keep the drunken Manc yobs in their place at City. I know a lot of lads from Wythenshawe who are Blue through and through who no longer go to any City games because if the stand up and make a noise or swear the get kicked out and when they pay so much for a ticket a three match ban is a piss take

Completely agree the demographic of our crowd is changing to a more middle class crowd. You can see it in some of those videos at villa away, most of the people in that are middle aged with kids. There's barely any young lads there

 

[Manchester33]

When the Family stand is expanded - I like the idea of putting the family stand in the 3rd tier to get the empty seats away from view. It would be miles better getting another Standing/Singing section behind the opposite goal for ours supporters who aren't bothered about away fans and would give us a proper end where we wouldn't be moved from!

What a great idea. Stick the family stand in the gods to get the empty seats away from view then when there up there it wouldn't look odd with a few empty seats dotted around here and there, it will be all empty seats....

Wondered how long this thread would come round to blaming the family stand... Perhaps we should stick every block up in the 3rd tear as there was plenty of empty seats around in every block on Tuesday ...
Can't fill 45k so move the dedicated season ticket holders to the top to fill there seats with imaginary fans that don't fill there own blocks now...
great logic

Wasn't meant to offend anyone mate, just my 2p!

IMO the North stand is too big to be the family stand - which isn't any fans fault, it's just a mistake by the club.
(And we could have filled it, because it was mostly full before the north standers from MR got relocated).