Course you can but thinking you can just say no religion is just pointless and even if you could it wouldn't stop some people using murder and terrorism to get there own way.you can do all this without religion
Maybe they have cctv footage taken around the area of the shooting that places the holder of that passport at the scene.Have the Greeks seen the body? I doubt that by now its in an identifiable state.
The human race is still evolving, we've come a long way but we've still got a long way to go, and the fact that we can commit acts like those in Paris yesterday prove it. In a thousand years time historians will look back on this period of human history with a mixture of bemusement and disbelief. By then the fact that individuals believe there's a god and this god condones the murder of innocent people will seem as ridiculous to them as witch burning and slavery seem to us.fucking ALL religion off will be a good starting point
All religions do good, from feeding and clothing the poor to offering an ear to the bereaved.
It's when you get extremes then you have a problem.
Some would say (not me I hasten to add but Dostoevsky) that if God does not exist then there is no virtue so why bother? From the atheist point of view morality is a man made construct simply followed to aid the species' survival and there would be little justification for altruism. Genocide could well be the preferred route to preserve access to resources or, like the Nazis, to purify the gene pool.you can do all this without religion
He was processed on Leros on 5th October, photo and fingerprints after that it would be easy for the French to identify him, he obviously didn't give a shit who knew who he was as he was a willing JihadiMaybe they have cctv footage taken around the area of the shooting that places the holder of that passport at the scene.
Unless you work for the secret service you know nothing and you are just posting what's in your headHe was processed on Leros on 5th October, photo and fingerprints after that it would be easy for the French to identify him, he obviously didn't give a shit who knew who he was as he was a willing Jihadi
I'm loving the irony of an anti-Muslim sentiment on the same page everybody is super concerned that Billy is ok.
Some would say (not me I hasten to add but Dostoevsky) that if God does not exist then there is no virtue so why bother? From the atheist point of view morality is a man made construct simply followed to aid the species' survival and there would be little justification for altruism. Genocide could well be the preferred route to preserve access to resources or, like the Nazis, to purify the gene pool.
You really get off on misrepresenting people's views that much?
So intellectually dishonest, just the usual type of attempt from your corner to paint an easily dismissible caricature of anyone who reflects on the role Islam has to play in attacks like these, and the ideology that motivates them, as a bigot.
You'll have to highlight said anti Muslim sentiment for me, because what I read was people who were reflecting on the role Islam plays in these attacks, rather than glossing over this uncomfortable truth. An important distinction to make.
No one cares if Billy is Muslim, it's irrelevant. We wish him well. No one has any hate for ordinary individual Muslims. It isn't bigotry to run a critical eye over Islam as a faith, especially when there are people being motivated to heinous acts via interpretations of Islam's holy book.
The hostility though, is being reserved for Islamism, which I'd assume Billy doesn't identify with.
You know, the ideology that's killing thousands upon thousands of other Muslims in the Arab world, as well as those French civilians from last night?
You not think it's time people reflected on this in an effort to end the violence? To find a solution to it?
All I see is people like you so desperate to take this discussion away from the relevant stuff, and to drag it into a bigots vs non bigots. To conflate any criticism of Islam as bigotry against Muslims as individuals.
It's a good thing to want to protect Muslims from genuine bigots, but you shouldn't use that to condemn well intentioned critical analysis of the role faith plays in these attacks.
People want solutions, and they all want to starve the Islamists of oxygen. I assume you do also?
By being so quick to cocoon this topic, of interpreting all reflection on the role faith plays in the violence, you're not just shielding ordinary Muslims, you're sheilding the Islamists and the terrorists themselves.
You are a gift to these people, as you shut down any critical, well intentioned, discussion on it down in a belief that such criticism could only be motivated by bigotry.
Islamists are thriving at present, and the shield of 'Islamophobia' is protecting them from mainstream criticism.
As I said, it's a good thing to want to stand up for ordinary Muslims, but it's about time people like yourself came around the table and joined the discussion. As it's a discussion we as a society need to have, and it's a discussion that needs to be led by ordinary Muslims like Billy.
They haven't as the body was blown to bits, they cannot confirm if the same man who landed is the same man from last night, or if it is a black market passport, for all anyone knows the original owner may have traded it to get across Europe. Wild speculation and rumour so soon after by people (not yourself) playing on peoples fears is just what these bastards want, chaos and fear
The Greeks have confirmed it was the same bloke who came off the boat, sorry to disappoint you but you can switch on your denial mode and just ignore it but it ain't going to change, perhaps 10 pints of snakebite with your student chums tonight might block out the truth though!
They're probably get their leads and their 'truth' from Twitter and Facebook as we speak.So they have positively identified one guy involved - a French citizen from outside Paris - and suspect 3 others were Belgians. Some of the amateur James Bond's on here would be swarming all over southern Greece now looking for clues - clueless speculation more like. As you say just helps give them more of what they want.
Atheists need to face up to the consequences of their convictions like everybody else - or perhaps they don't since they make their own rules. Chris Hitchens was a great man because he was honest about that crucial question. 'Atheist values are a contradiction in terms - there are no absolute values.'Well that may be the looking back in history/moral relativism bullshit. You can be Atheist and have intelligent morals and values. Ethical naturalism for example.
Religion is a dead subject for a lot of people.. it isn't an answer to man's problems.. I admit Genocide is 'allowable in some sort of ridiculous utilitarian-knowing-the future-sense.. but it's all delusionary. Another subject altogether, but religion is gonna die, and it'll either be nihilism or intelligent atheistic values that prevail..
Maybe they have cctv footage taken around the area of the shooting that places the holder of that passport at the scene.
You have a depressingly low opinion of human nature. If you are doing good deeds because you fear burning in hell I'd question whether you're actually a good person. Most people are perfectly capable of understanding right and wrong, and behaving accordingly, without trying to curry favour with some vengeful deity.Some would say (not me I hasten to add but Dostoevsky) that if God does not exist then there is no virtue so why bother? From the atheist point of view morality is a man made construct simply followed to aid the species' survival and there would be little justification for altruism. Genocide could well be the preferred route to preserve access to resources or, like the Nazis, to purify the gene pool.
They're probably get their leads and their 'truth' from Twitter and Facebook as we speak.
Atheists need to face up to the consequences of their convictions like everybody else - or perhaps they don't since they make their own rules. Chris Hitchens was a great man because he was honest about that crucial question. 'Atheist values are a contradiction in terms - there are no absolute values.'