Attacks in Paris

foxy said:
I've changed it..... hence the edit.

But do wish leaders and certain groups would show solidarity and have a backbone. Sadly they will hide and play the victim in this.
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I thought you'd changed it because you realised the quote came from a blog that has also deleted it due to it coming from an obviously fake account. Oh well.
 
Syrian passport found on the body of one of the perpetrators.... I wonder how he got here, are the left happy to keep borders open to appease their conscience at the cost of many lives..?
 
KippaxCitizen said:
The Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant have claimed responsibility for last nights murders.

Ask them if they are true Muslims...Just because you'd be told they aren't by other followers of Islam who have different ideologies of their religion doesn't mean they aren't true Muslims.

Fair enough they do not represent their whole religion but it also doesn't mean they aren't Muslims.
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Just the same as if you ask a KKK member if they're Christian, they will say yes, and I'm sure they will have scripture quotes to back up their warped views on life. The problem with religion is it can be bent my deranged people to satisfy their views and inflict pain on people that don't meet up to their world view.
 
Damocles said:
I'm loving the irony of an anti-Muslim sentiment on the same page everybody is super concerned that Billy is ok.
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I don't Know Billy, glad he's Ok, I take it from that he's a muslim ? I don't get why people find it so difficult to seperate terrorists from the general people who the terrorists claim to represent
 
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geoff clipp said:
Not sure why you need to see this happen. It's pretty clear to anyone not harbouring anti muslim prejudice that Isis doesn't represent mainstream Islam. Theyre slaughtering Muslims in their thousands.

Do you ask this of other groups? I mean we live in a country where 2 women a week are killed by their partners and over 60000 women are raped each year. Do you need to see 100000 men to take to the streets and reassure us all that not all men are rapists? Or are you able to figure that one out yourself?
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Maybe in your fluffy cosy world of bread and sausages and eternal sunshine you may not need to see this but i do and so do many others, as you have said in your first sentence ISIS does not represent mainstream Islam and they are slaughtering Muslims in their thousands, this may be true so why don't mainstream Muslims come out and demonstrate against ISIL in their hundreds of thousands and make it clear once and for all that they despise these people, as i said, hell will freeze over first
 
Mëtal Bikër said:
They would say they were a Muslim. But they'd be wrong. I could identify myself as a Sith, doesn't mean i'm right. They think they are following the Quran, using verses such as 3:28, 5:51, 5:80 and 3:118 as justification of their jihad, but again, they are wrong. They are picking and choosing the verses which are suitable to their ideology. They are about as Muslim as you or I.
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Muhammad didn't have a Quran neither as apparently he couldn't read or write so he was taught it all verbally by an Angel and spread its work from there to kill all Meccan pagans.
 
acquiesce said:
Just the same as if you ask a KKK member if they're Christian, they will say yes, and I'm sure they will have scripture quotes to back up their warped views on life. The problem with religion is it can be bent my deranged people to satisfy their views and inflict pain on people that don't meet up to their world view.
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That's exactly right and why I think religion is a joke and not only out of date, not even centuries out of date, but MILLENNIA out of date. It's all there [violent extremism] within religions to be interpreted by the puritans of each religion if they such wish.
 
KippaxCitizen said:
Muhammad didn't have a Quran neither as apparently he couldn't read or write so he was taught it all verbally by an Angel and spread its work from there to kill all Meccan pagans.
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What does this have to do with Islamism?


You see, this is what we need to be doing, so that it benefits both sides of the arguement, so that when people are demonising the actions of IS, busy see you next tuesday's cannot bleat about 'Islamophobia' because we're debating Islamism, unless people are upset about 'Islamismophobia'.

Naturally on the same issue, those who criticise Islam in an entirely different debate by citing the actions of IS as an example of Islam as a whole, need to have it pointed out that IS are Islamists, not Islamic, despite what they choose to call themselves. The debate about Islam and its influence, importance or relevance on non-Islamic societies is a debate for another day. IS is all our collective focus now, those murdering Islamist bastards.
 
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big blue balls said:
Maybe in your fluffy cosy world of bread and sausages and eternal sunshine you may not need to see this but i do and so do many others, as you have said in your first sentence ISIS does not represent mainstream Islam and they are slaughtering Muslims in their thousands, this may be true so why don't mainstream Muslims come out and demonstrate against ISIL in their hundreds of thousands and make it clear once and for all that they despise these people, as i said, hell will freeze over first
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big blue balls said:
Maybe in your fluffy cosy world of bread and sausages and eternal sunshine you may not need to see this but i do and so do many others, as you have said in your first sentence ISIS does not represent mainstream Islam and they are slaughtering Muslims in their thousands, this may be true so why don't mainstream Muslims come out and demonstrate against ISIL in their hundreds of thousands and make it clear once and for all that they despise these people, as i said, hell will freeze over first
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Why should they!? Most people already know this. Why should a peaceful muslim have to stand up and distance themselves from the actions of a relatively small number of people from the other side of the world practicing an entirely different branch of the religion? If your default position is that they condone it unless stating otherwise, then you're the one with the problem. If you have a problem with Muslims just own it, but don't come out with all this bullshit.

It's a moot point anyway. There are plenty of initiatives in the Islamic community that speak out about this kind of thing. Unfortunately they don't tend to cover it in the Sun or the Daily Mail or whatever shit rag you're getting your information from.
 
Couldn't give a shit about any ridiculous religion and who's imaginary man in the sky is the best, the scenes in Paris just leave me lost for words.
Utter, utter cunts.
 
foxy said:
Syrian passport found on the body of one of the perpetrators.... I wonder how he got here, are the left happy to keep borders open to appease their conscience at the cost of many lives..?
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You have just been made to look like a fuckin barmpot with your last quote you had to edit, because it was bullshit. Give up you spineless hateful dick. Why all the hate for muslims? The usual right wing nutters will be out, trying political point scoring and spreading hate. Like the FN in France, the edl, nf etc. and you.over here.
Solidarity with the people of France, sympathy and solidarity to the families of the the people murdered.
 
big blue balls said:
Maybe in your fluffy cosy world of bread and sausages and eternal sunshine you may not need to see this but i do and so do many others, as you have said in your first sentence ISIS does not represent mainstream Islam and they are slaughtering Muslims in their thousands, this may be true so why don't mainstream Muslims come out and demonstrate against ISIL in their hundreds of thousands and make it clear once and for all that they despise these people, as i said, hell will freeze over first
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Why should they?
 
Unfortunately history is littered with mainstream armed combat and terrorism by individuals and groups many of which have no regard for who they want to harm.

It will be part of the future under any guise you name and the guise itself is not important.

You can expect suicide bombers and other extremists to continue this activity in major cities throughout the world while man still inhabits this planet as barbaric as it seems and is to normal peaceful minded individuals.

The only thing authorities can do is to be as vigilant as they can be to minimise opportunity and loss of life when it occurs.

Without seeming to be too harsh on the French government , the military and the armed forces it seems they dropped their guard somewhat after the events of earlier in the year.

Humans in the main have short memories unless they have suffered personally in the past.
 
Perhaps it's time for the Koran to be updated. The Bible was updated to the new testament because the old testament was becoming irrelevant for the way society had changed.
The terrorists will always have the book to fall back on while it talks about infidels burning in hell etc. Isis believe theirs is the purest form of Islam.
 
KippaxCitizen said:
That's exactly right and why I think religion is a joke and not only out of date, not even centuries out of date, but MILLENNIA out of date. It's all there [violent extremism] within religions to be interpreted by the puritans of each religion if they such wish.
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Shall we ban any belief then? Because I can tell millions upon millions were murdered by so called communists from Stalin to Phol Pots killing fields you are forgetting that human beings will do terrible things in the name of what they believe people have even been murdered for supporting the wrong football team
 
Mëtal Bikër said:
What does this have to do with Islamism?


You see, this is what we need to be doing, so that it benefits both sides of the arguement, so that when people are demonising the actions of IS, busy see you next tuesday's cannot bleat about 'Islamophobia' because we're debating Islamism, unless people are upset about 'Islamismophobia'.

Naturally on the same issue, those who criticise Islam in an entirely different debate by citing the actions of IS as an example of Islam as a whole, need to have it pointed out that IS are Islamists, not Islamic, despite what they choose to call themselves. The debate about Islam and its influence, importance or relevance on non-Islamic societies is a debate for another day. IS is all our collective focus now, those murdering Islamist bastards.
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But it is though. Like CofE, Carholicism, Methodist, the Puritans who killed women in Salem and the KKK are all Christians in their religion and ideologies; this ISIL group are Muslims under the religion Islam, they are just a different branch to the more peaceful ones.
 
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