Auschwitz

[dawlish dave]

Let us not forget that in countries taken over by Germany it was the local police that helped out in rounding up Jews. We in the UK sometimes take the moral high ground, but there would have been people in our country would have done the same. Oh by the way they would not have all been Daily Mail readers.
Never forget this lesson from history, it should always be taught in schools.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

Let us not forget that in countries taken over by Germany it was the local police that helped out in rounding up Jews. We in the UK sometimes take the moral high ground, but there would have been people in our country would have done the same.

It happened on The Channel Islands, where the authorities were totally co-operative, on the instruction of the Home Office, & British police, on instructions from the Germans, rounded up a number of alien Jews who were sent to their deaths. Most resident Jews had escaped to the mainland. Having said that, there were also people on the islands who risked their lives to shelter Jews.

A post-war British intelligence report stated: When the Germans proposed to put their anti-Jewish measures into force, no protest whatsoever was raised by any of the Guernsey officials and they hastened to give the Germans every assistance. By contrast , when it was proposed to take steps against the Freemasons, of which there are many in Guernsey, the Bailiff [Alexander Coutanche ] made considerable protests and did everything possible to protect the Masons.

Coutanche was ordered by the Home Office to remain in charge and action whatever orders were issued by the German military authorities, even though he wasn't apparently keen on the idea. He also refused to authorise the order for Jews to wear a yellow star but in all other matters he co-operated as instructed.

So based on that, it would have certainly have been feasible that the Brirish civil authorities would have been largely co-operative in the event of a successful invasion.

 

[blueinsa]

Let us not forget that in countries taken over by Germany it was the local police that helped out in rounding up Jews. We in the UK sometimes take the moral high ground, but there would have been people in our country would have done the same.

It happened on The Channel Islands, where the authorities were totally co-operative, on the instruction of the Home Office, & British police, on instructions from the Germans, rounded up a number of alien Jews who were sent to their deaths. Most resident Jews had escaped to the mainland. Having said that, there were also people on the islands who risked their lives to shelter Jews.

A post-war British intelligence report stated: When the Germans proposed to put their anti-Jewish measures into force, no protest whatsoever was raised by any of the Guernsey officials and they hastened to give the Germans every assistance. By contrast , when it was proposed to take steps against the Freemasons, of which there are many in Guernsey, the Bailiff [Alexander Coutanche ] made considerable protests and did everything possible to protect the Masons.

Coutanche was ordered by the Home Office to remain in charge and action whatever orders were issued by the German military authorities, even though he wasn't apparently keen on the idea. He also refused to authorise the order for Jews to wear a yellow star but in all other matters he co-operated as instructed.

So based on that, it would have certainly have been feasible that the Brirish civil authorities would have been largely co-operative in the event of a successful invasion.

I distinctly remember seeing a documentary on the Channel Island Jews and the disgraceful way they were simply "handed over" by the authorities.

 

[Proelia]

we have all seen the docu's and footage but there was a programe on last night with footage i had never seen before and quite gruesome it was, i'm pretty good at dealing with stuff like that but whats got to me is when they cut a bag of human hair open and pulled out the plated pony tail of a young girl who was probably aged between 5 and 15, all day i cant shake it off and keep thinking how terrible it must have been :-(

Im the same, can watch most things with no bother whatsoever. But I saw a documentary about the Unit 731 atrocities a few years ago and it shook me to the bone. Makes Auschwitz look like a walk in the park with the shit that happened there.

Walk in the park? What an insensitive statement to come out with

 

[malg]

we have all seen the docu's and footage but there was a programe on last night with footage i had never seen before and quite gruesome it was, i'm pretty good at dealing with stuff like that but whats got to me is when they cut a bag of human hair open and pulled out the plated pony tail of a young girl who was probably aged between 5 and 15, all day i cant shake it off and keep thinking how terrible it must have been :-(

Im the same, can watch most things with no bother whatsoever. But I saw a documentary about the Unit 731 atrocities a few years ago and it shook me to the bone. Makes Auschwitz look like a walk in the park with the shit that happened there.

Walk in the park? What an insensitive statement to come out with

Probably not the best phrase to use, but that Unit 731 was fucking brutal. I don't think I'd go down the route of comparing the two, it would be akin to the sickest game of Top Trumps. Sick fuckers the lot of them.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

Im the same, can watch most things with no bother whatsoever. But I saw a documentary about the Unit 731 atrocities a few years ago and it shook me to the bone. Makes Auschwitz look like a walk in the park with the shit that happened there.

Walk in the park? What an insensitive statement to come out with

Probably not the best phrase to use, but that Unit 731 was fucking brutal. I don't think I'd go down the route of comparing the two, it would be akin to the sickest game of Top Trumps. Sick fuckers the lot of them.

Unit 731 was pretty bad but it doesn't compare to the systematic, production-line attempt to exterminate an entire people. The irony thing is that the Japanese, who also thought non-Japanese were inferior beings, actually did a lot to protect Jews. They issued nearly 20,000 visas to European Jews and even rescued an entire yeshivah (religious school). No anti-semitic measures were implemented by the Japs, although they moved most of the Jews to occupied Shanghai.

 

[bluemanc]

Some truly horrific eyewitness accounts,the horrible truth is Hitler would never have stopped until the last Jew was dead.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

Some truly horrific eyewitness accounts,the horrible truth is Hitler would never have stopped until the last Jew was dead.

It's the eye-witness accounts that are the most horrific. You can watch films and read articles but hearing people who experienced it speak about it really brings it home. I visited Auschwitz about 14 years ago, with my son on a school trip. It was the annual March of the Living, which involves a walk from Auschwitz Main Camp to Birkenau, which is about a mile or so. Although people are used to seeing the railway line into Birkenau, this wasn't built until 1944 so that walk is the one taken by deportees prior to that. One of the people on the trip was a survivor, Mayer Hersh, who was a friend of my father's and I had a good chat to him as we were walking round. He said that the main difference was that there was grass as, at the time, people were so hungry that they ate anything they could.

He found the hut he was in and there were three or four tiers of bunks. He was explaining, quite matter of factly, that you fought to be on the top bunk, like kids always do in bunk beds. I naively asked why and he pointed out that people suffered from diseases like dysentery and there was little opportunity to get up to go to the toilet during the night. so the lower you were, the higher the risk of getting covered with something unpleasant during the night.

It was just little details like that that really emphasised the real horror of peoples' experiences. Another friend of my parents used to say, if you asked him about his experiences, "I could tell you, but you wouldn't believe me."

 

[Ifwecouldjust.......]

I had a post on my Facebook page today from a mate that simply said

If we had 1 minutes silence for every one killed in the German Concentration camps in the second world war we would be silent for twenty years..........

 

[marco]

Some truly horrific eyewitness accounts,the horrible truth is Hitler would never have stopped until the last Jew was dead.

it would not have ended there though, because if Hitler had eliminated the Jews and won the war it would then have been all coloured people facing mass genocide, then after that every human with brown eyes, and after that all with hair that was not blonde, basically they would have slaughtered a very large percentage of the human race