Autophagy (and fasting).

SWP's back said:
This but come in English?

As for it being possible to have a six pack and still be unhealthy, name a metric and let’s test each other on it.
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What does come in english mean in english?

Mr foden will have had a six pack for the last 12 months but he's been unhealthy cause the middle of him aint happy clappy snappy bum bum
 
I've now done my first ever prolonged water only fast (a little fresh lemon and Himalayan rocksalt - simple electrolytes allowed) that lasted 92 hours before quitting. And afterwards I had 2 mugs of warm health benefitting nutrition rich bone broth. It tasted good and an hour later I had 250mgs of 10% fat Greek yoghurt and handful of mixed nuts with a small amount of raisins and cranberries to sweeten. An hour after that I dipped half a dozen green olives into red pepper hummus. 3 hours later I had small portion of homemade mild chicken and spinach curry with a mix of basmati and brown rice at a friend's house. I felt I needed some protein and crabs all washed down with a litre of water. I was offered a tin of beer but I'm having a break from drinking for now for several reasons so I'm ok with just water and herbal tea at the mo.

On Sunday I went in my local which I haven't been in for 4 or 5 weeks to watch City and soon after being in there a few mates commented on how much better I looked saying I'm looking bright eyed and slimmer with a happy vibe about me. I am a lot happier than I have been in last 3 years tbh but those(most of) pub regulars thought I was always happy positive and in control of my emotions and mental well being, If only knew the mental pain behind what they could see that I felt worthless and merely existing only then would some realise and perhaps understand.

I drank 6 pints of water and ice, that's it and had really good night. I was so busy chatting catching up with friends I didn't watch most of the game or take in how we played. I even told a few friends I felt I could confide in of where I'd been in my head and the state of my(then) circumstances of bad anxiety and depression to where I am now and that is several rungs up my life ladder from hitting rock bottom. I didn't go into too much details though. I'm now feeling mentally and physically good with PMA and look forward to getting back to my confident happy go lucky self.

I know I rolled the dice on going straight to into a long fast but I couldn't sleep all Thursday night till early Friday evening and Saturday morning I felt good with no appetite headache or nausea so I thought I'd go into the unknown and try my luck and monitor my mood and hunger etc. Was all good. For me I think it benefited me and I feel rejuvenated now so I think it's done me more good than harm. Onwards and upwards n'all that's it : )

I need sleep now because I have a gym induction at 10. If I feel up to it I'll do a few lengths in the pool and go in the steam room and then shower.

I have made a lifestyle change for several reasons to eat as much natural healthy unprocessed food as I can and getting physically fit and mentality strong like I used to be. I'm starting to like myself again and feel proud of what I've achieved thus far.

I'm interested in reading your thoughts if you have any.
 
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BlueMoonRisin’ said:
I've now done my first ever prolonged water only fast (a little fresh lemon and Himalayan rocksalt - simple electrolytes allowed) that lasted 92 hours before quitting. And afterwards I had 2 mugs of warm health benefitting nutrition rich bone broth. It tasted good and I the had 250mgs of 10% fat Greek yoghurt with a small amount of raisins and cranberries to sweeten an hour later. An hour after that I dipped half a dozen green olives into red pepper hummus.

Ion Sunday I went in my local to watch Citywhich I haven't been in for 4 or 5 weeks and soon after a few mates commented on how much better I looked saying I'm looking bright eyed and slimmer with a happy vibe about me. I am a lot happier than I have been in last 3 years tbh but those(most of) pub regulars thought I was always happy positive and in control of my emotions and mental well being, If only knew the mental pain behind what they could see that I felt worthless and merely existing only then would some realise and perhaps understand.

I drank 6 pints of water and ice, that's it and and I had really good night. I was so busy chatting of catching up with friends I didn't watch most of the game or take in how we played. I even told a few friends I felt I could confide in of where I'd been in my head and the state of my(then) circumstances of bad anxiety and depression to where I am now and that is several rungs up my life ladder from hitting rock bottom. I didn't go into too much details though. I'm now feeling mentally and physically good with PMA and look forward to getting back to my confident happy go lucky self.

I know I rolled the dice on going straight to into a long fast but I couldn't sleep all Thursday night till early Friday evening and Saturday morning I felt good with no appetite headache or nausea so I thought I'd go into the unknown and try my luck and monitor my mood and hunger etc. Was all good. For me I think it benefited me and I feel rejuvenated now so I think it's done me more good than harm. Onwards and upwards n'all that: )

I'm interested in reading your thoughts if you have any.
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Fuck going nearly 4 days without eating, your biggest issue with the weight loss would be that you'd lose muscle mass.

But well done you mad hungry bugger ;-)
 
mexico1970 said:
Fuck going nearly 4 days without eating, your biggest issue with the weight loss would be that you'd lose muscle mass.

But well done you mad hungry bugger ;-)
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I may be mad to some but I don't think so and take no offence of anyone thinking I am : )

The longterm benefits of fasting are huge(read up on them if you don’t know) pal, and I didn't do it for short term weight loss. I've lost a few pounds but I still have a lot of water retention at the moment. As for muscle mass loss I don't notice any difference. I think such a long first time prolonged fast as a long term gain.

When I get my new place in a week or two and settled In will start cooking healthy nutritious food strictly limiting any processed food I eat when out and about. I'll be increasing swimming cardio vascular exercises and weights on a gradual progression. At 61 I'm a semi FOC so I'm wise enough to know I ain't as physically fit and strong as I was as a gym member about 6 years ago but I will endeavour to be as fit as I can be for my age.

But need to stop smoking first in order to get to where I want to be, so when I have a supply of nicotine patches and get the essential strong enough urge to stop I will go for it. I'm determined I will finally break the habit of being an addicted smoker for the best part of 45 years. I'll do it by determination, sheer bloody mindedness and PMA to become finally free from such a strong addiction, stronger than any drug(I've tried) and for me certainly easier than going from being an alcoholic (twice) to drinking moderately and in control with the odd blow out now and again.
 
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SWP's back said:
This but come in English?

As for it being possible to have a six pack and still be unhealthy, name a metric and let’s test each other on it.
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To be fair, professional bodybuilders have a six pack and they tend to die earlier than most. Admittedly, a lot of that might be down to steroid abuse though.
 
BlueMoonRisin’ said:
I've now done my first ever prolonged water only fast (a little fresh lemon and Himalayan rocksalt - simple electrolytes allowed) that lasted 92 hours before quitting. And afterwards I had 2 mugs of warm health benefitting nutrition rich bone broth. It tasted good and an hour later I had 250mgs of 10% fat Greek yoghurt and handful of mixed nuts with a small amount of raisins and cranberries to sweeten. An hour after that I dipped half a dozen green olives into red pepper hummus. 3 hours later I had small portion of homemade mild chicken and spinach curry with a mix of basmati and brown rice at a friend's house. I felt I needed some protein and crabs all washed down with a litre of water. I was offered a tin of beer but I'm having a break from drinking for now for several reasons so I'm ok with just water and herbal tea at the mo.

On Sunday I went in my local which I haven't been in for 4 or 5 weeks to watch City and soon after being in there a few mates commented on how much better I looked saying I'm looking bright eyed and slimmer with a happy vibe about me. I am a lot happier than I have been in last 3 years tbh but those(most of) pub regulars thought I was always happy positive and in control of my emotions and mental well being, If only knew the mental pain behind what they could see that I felt worthless and merely existing only then would some realise and perhaps understand.

I drank 6 pints of water and ice, that's it and had really good night. I was so busy chatting catching up with friends I didn't watch most of the game or take in how we played. I even told a few friends I felt I could confide in of where I'd been in my head and the state of my(then) circumstances of bad anxiety and depression to where I am now and that is several rungs up my life ladder from hitting rock bottom. I didn't go into too much details though. I'm now feeling mentally and physically good with PMA and look forward to getting back to my confident happy go lucky self.

I know I rolled the dice on going straight to into a long fast but I couldn't sleep all Thursday night till early Friday evening and Saturday morning I felt good with no appetite headache or nausea so I thought I'd go into the unknown and try my luck and monitor my mood and hunger etc. Was all good. For me I think it benefited me and I feel rejuvenated now so I think it's done me more good than harm. Onwards and upwards n'all that's it : )

I need sleep now because I have a gym induction at 10. If I feel up to it I'll do a few lengths in the pool and go in the steam room and then shower.

I have made a lifestyle change for several reasons to eat as much natural healthy unprocessed food as I can and getting physically fit and mentality strong like I used to be. I'm starting to like myself again and feel proud of what I've achieved thus far.

I'm interested in reading your thoughts if you have any.
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Good on you mate!
Try and stick with the positive life style changes but remember to be kind to yourself also.
There will be days when you just can't fast and that is ok. There will be days when u fancy having a few pints and that is also ok. Try and look at what your doing over a long period of time rather than a day at a time. The odd off day here and there won't make that much difference. But your smashing it mate! Onwards and upwards, I hope you continue to find positive results!
 
BlueMoonRisin’ said:
I've now done my first ever prolonged water only fast (a little fresh lemon and Himalayan rocksalt - simple electrolytes allowed) that lasted 92 hours before quitting. And afterwards I had 2 mugs of warm health benefitting nutrition rich bone broth. It tasted good and an hour later I had 250mgs of 10% fat Greek yoghurt and handful of mixed nuts with a small amount of raisins and cranberries to sweeten. An hour after that I dipped half a dozen green olives into red pepper hummus. 3 hours later I had small portion of homemade mild chicken and spinach curry with a mix of basmati and brown rice at a friend's house. I felt I needed some protein and crabs all washed down with a litre of water. I was offered a tin of beer but I'm having a break from drinking for now for several reasons so I'm ok with just water and herbal tea at the mo.

On Sunday I went in my local which I haven't been in for 4 or 5 weeks to watch City and soon after being in there a few mates commented on how much better I looked saying I'm looking bright eyed and slimmer with a happy vibe about me. I am a lot happier than I have been in last 3 years tbh but those(most of) pub regulars thought I was always happy positive and in control of my emotions and mental well being, If only knew the mental pain behind what they could see that I felt worthless and merely existing only then would some realise and perhaps understand.

I drank 6 pints of water and ice, that's it and had really good night. I was so busy chatting catching up with friends I didn't watch most of the game or take in how we played. I even told a few friends I felt I could confide in of where I'd been in my head and the state of my(then) circumstances of bad anxiety and depression to where I am now and that is several rungs up my life ladder from hitting rock bottom. I didn't go into too much details though. I'm now feeling mentally and physically good with PMA and look forward to getting back to my confident happy go lucky self.

I know I rolled the dice on going straight to into a long fast but I couldn't sleep all Thursday night till early Friday evening and Saturday morning I felt good with no appetite headache or nausea so I thought I'd go into the unknown and try my luck and monitor my mood and hunger etc. Was all good. For me I think it benefited me and I feel rejuvenated now so I think it's done me more good than harm. Onwards and upwards n'all that's it : )

I need sleep now because I have a gym induction at 10. If I feel up to it I'll do a few lengths in the pool and go in the steam room and then shower.

I have made a lifestyle change for several reasons to eat as much natural healthy unprocessed food as I can and getting physically fit and mentality strong like I used to be. I'm starting to like myself again and feel proud of what I've achieved thus far.

I'm interested in reading your thoughts if you have any.
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I gave you a like for the positivity you feel. I'm quite chuffed for you, really!

Please don't take this as negativity, but my only worry for you is

a) how often you commit to doing the fast and

b) the rebound factor should you do this short term.

This is why I'm doing this slowly cos last time, I did it for about a month, before experiencing the slow return to where I was before.

It's imperative that if this is a real step forward that it's not a fad, but a real lifestyle.
 
BlueMoonRisin’ said:
I'm interested in reading your thoughts if you have any.
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You've flashed over why you couldnt sleep...spend less time worrying about himalayan salt and 250mg of greek yoghurt and more time considering why you cant fall into restore mode naturally..and what that means.

Your new mood is determinable by your first brain, which tells the brain in your swede what kinda mood it requires today..so you having a clear out and feeling bright eyed is like writing an essay about waking up and finding a hand on the end of your wrist..dont waste time on it..discover why you cant sleep/restore.

Forget the gym..buy an hula hoop.

Diminishing returns after 30hrs fasting..if you fast for say 23 hrs a day by eating once a day... everyday..you'll remedy yourself by 2 hrs a day forever, like a dripping leak youll flood in the end..and in so doing youll have told your nervous system youre in control and a sleeping pattern will follow suit ( opposed to going on a 90hr marathon like youve swapped addictions).

Cottage cheese is your friend.
 
I'm With Stupid said:
To be fair, professional bodybuilders have a six pack and they tend to die earlier than most. Admittedly, a lot of that might be down to steroid abuse though.
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100% comes down to steroid abuse.

There’s zero history of above average heart failure in natural bodybuilding.
 
mexico1970 said:
Some people have natural six packs some people don't. As stated above steroid abuse amongst bodybuilders is what usually causes the earlier deaths as well as having to lug about all that muscle your body is constantly working overtime.
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With or without steriods the nervous system knows youre armouring ( when body building), doesnt matter a jott if thats not how you book it...if youre armouring youre storeing tension and (+/-) turning on/off your immune system...which isnt healthy at all .
Steriods dont give you an heart attack, the signals your musculature tells youre nervous system determines whether your heart wants out of you...each body part owns its own intelligence.

You wont get an oversized heart by taking steriods and not training...tells you everything.
 
The age olde adage about packing in dancing cause of getting old or getting old cause of packing in dancing is not so disimilar to the steriods>heart or stress>heart...some muscles are duofold and send the msg you are mental to the other intelligence centres of your body...you can probably guess the rest.
 
Certain muscles will determine if theyre not happy with the amount stored stress youll have to have a rage and be thick enough to blame the steriods.
 
Which is the same muscle ^ thats crimped during every road rage ( or crimped till just prior to the action commencing)...without a steroid in sight.
 
BlueMoonRisin’ said:
I've now done my first ever prolonged water only fast (a little fresh lemon and Himalayan rocksalt - simple electrolytes allowed) that lasted 92 hours before quitting. And afterwards I had 2 mugs of warm health benefitting nutrition rich bone broth. It tasted good and an hour later I had 250mgs of 10% fat Greek yoghurt and handful of mixed nuts with a small amount of raisins and cranberries to sweeten. An hour after that I dipped half a dozen green olives into red pepper hummus. 3 hours later I had small portion of homemade mild chicken and spinach curry with a mix of basmati and brown rice at a friend's house. I felt I needed some protein and crabs all washed down with a litre of water. I was offered a tin of beer but I'm having a break from drinking for now for several reasons so I'm ok with just water and herbal tea at the mo.

On Sunday I went in my local which I haven't been in for 4 or 5 weeks to watch City and soon after being in there a few mates commented on how much better I looked saying I'm looking bright eyed and slimmer with a happy vibe about me. I am a lot happier than I have been in last 3 years tbh but those(most of) pub regulars thought I was always happy positive and in control of my emotions and mental well being, If only knew the mental pain behind what they could see that I felt worthless and merely existing only then would some realise and perhaps understand.

I drank 6 pints of water and ice, that's it and had really good night. I was so busy chatting catching up with friends I didn't watch most of the game or take in how we played. I even told a few friends I felt I could confide in of where I'd been in my head and the state of my(then) circumstances of bad anxiety and depression to where I am now and that is several rungs up my life ladder from hitting rock bottom. I didn't go into too much details though. I'm now feeling mentally and physically good with PMA and look forward to getting back to my confident happy go lucky self.

I know I rolled the dice on going straight to into a long fast but I couldn't sleep all Thursday night till early Friday evening and Saturday morning I felt good with no appetite headache or nausea so I thought I'd go into the unknown and try my luck and monitor my mood and hunger etc. Was all good. For me I think it benefited me and I feel rejuvenated now so I think it's done me more good than harm. Onwards and upwards n'all that's it : )

I need sleep now because I have a gym induction at 10. If I feel up to it I'll do a few lengths in the pool and go in the steam room and then shower.

I have made a lifestyle change for several reasons to eat as much natural healthy unprocessed food as I can and getting physically fit and mentality strong like I used to be. I'm starting to like myself again and feel proud of what I've achieved thus far.

I'm interested in reading your thoughts if you have any.
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Good on you blue.

My method (not sure if safe or not) is to simply not eat in the morning and for as long as I can. When the hunger gets too much I try to do a bit of excercise (bounce/throw a basketball, lift a dumbbell or Kettlebell, stretch, jump a bit, dance a but, shaddow box) to get the heart beating a bit and usually the hunger disappears for a while longer.

When you eat then inthe late afternoon or evening then you really enjoy it.

Seems to be working fine as I've lost a decent bit of weight.
 
TonyM said:
Good on you blue.

My method (not sure if safe or not) is to simply not eat in the morning and for as long as I can. When the hunger gets too much I try to do a bit of excercise (bounce/throw a basketball, lift a dumbbell or Kettlebell, stretch, jump a bit, dance a but, shaddow box) to get the heart beating a bit and usually the hunger disappears for a while longer.

When you eat then inthe late afternoon or evening then you really enjoy it.

Seems to be working fine as I've lost a decent bit of weight.
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That's generally what I do. No brekkie, rarely have lunch on a weekday then big meal in the evening. Have cut out all but one coffee aswell, just sip on peppermint or fruit tea in the day at work.
 
I'm With Stupid said:
You do you mate. As I say, it doesn't mean that what he's saying is wrong, I'm just suspicious of anyone who calls themselves a doctor and when you look them up it turns out they're not a medical doctor and has a range of supplements for sale. But good luck with everything.

Someone I think you might be interested in if you're into more preventative and diet-based measures is Dr. Karan. He's a surgeon for the NHS, but he does a lot of videos about gut health, ultra processed foods, and increasing fibre. Nothing specifically on diabetes though, because he stays in his lane, but he does sometimes interview experts in other areas of health and medicine, so perhaps that'll be an area he looks at in the future.
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Fat Chance said:
With or without steriods the nervous system knows youre armouring ( when body building), doesnt matter a jott if thats not how you book it...if youre armouring youre storeing tension and (+/-) turning on/off your immune system...which isnt healthy at all .
Steriods dont give you an heart attack, the signals your musculature tells youre nervous system determines whether your heart wants out of you...each body part owns its own intelligence.

You wont get an oversized heart by taking steriods and not training...tells you everything.
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All the medical knowledge points at steroids in bodybuilding, are you saying they are mistaken or lying? The evidence they have specifically points at bodybuilders that use steroids.

What is the most common cause of death in bodybuilders?


Sudden cardiac death

Sudden cardiac death is responsible for an unusually high proportion of deaths in male bodybuilders worldwide with the highest risk among professional bodybuilders, according to research published in the European Heart Journal

Male bodybuilders face high risk of sudden cardiac death, especially those who compete professionally

Your access to the latest cardiovascular news, science, tools and resources.
www.escardio.org www.escardio.org

www.bbc.co.uk

Steroid abuse 'raising health risk for thousands'

British heart doctors are warning that thousands of people who misuse anabolic steroids are putting themselves at greater risk of heart attacks and strokes.
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk
 
Hello '70...

Mis-use...just to use a steriod and do nish wont kill ya but to mis-use cause of the recovery angle means everything is out..the heart is just the fuse. Theyve kicked it from tearing reality, musculture knows reality better than a multi million £ machine. We've never been told about the information highways and dual roles of muscles from being kids, we've grown up with bullworkers, jolly green giants, kong v godzilla...the real answer to health is to stare at a fishing float akin mr foden and concentrate on the diaphragms..not the musculature tension infront of the diaphragms.
 
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