Autophagy (and fasting).

I'm now in hour 51 of this prolonged fast I didn't mean to start and although I'm feeling weak and tired my tinnitus and anxiety is stopping me from sleeping. I've never gone this long without food before and I'm way into unknown territory.

Bit of a conundrum whether I tough it out and try to reach 72 hours at 8pm tomorrow or cave in. I'm hungry now but trying to block food thoughts out which is hard but I'm hoping my hunger abates in the morning.

I also wanted to discuss with my doctor about trying a prolonged fast beforehand and if I should reduce or stop taking my medication. I made the decision to not take them till I start eating again. My blood sugar went down to 7.1 this morning but I took it again about 45 minutes ago and it's now 8.7 so I'm confused why it's gone up and not down. Maybe I should have taken one or two metformin I don't know.

Tomorrow morning I'll see how I feel and will walk into Ashton and buy some bone broth from Holland and Barrett and nip into Aldi for a tub of Greek yoghurt and a tub of houmous. I'll buy some capsicums carrots and celery to dip into the houmous. I'll drink the bone broth first wait Ann hour before eating 250gms of Greek yoghurt with mixed nuts and a few raisins and cranberries to sweeten. An hour or so later I'll eat the veg with the humous and maybe eat some meat or fish later for protein.

I think I'm doing well though in cutting out sugar in my tea and trying not to eat food with refined sugar in. I feel like I will eventually benefit from all this in body and mind.

I'm confused. Have you gone straight into fasting or gradually gone in?

Straight away is when 95% of people fail cos your body can't handle it!

You should always ease into these things and get your body used to the deprivation.

I'm doing my 24 next weekend maintain it the following weekend and then 48 two weeks after that. etc.
 
I'm confused. Have you gone straight into fasting or gradually gone in?

Straight away is when 95% of people fail cos your body can't handle it!

You should always ease into these things and get your body used to the deprivation.

I'm doing my 24 next weekend maintain it the following weekend and then 48 two weeks after that. etc.
Straight into it. I meant to try a few hours at a time building upto it but I couldn't sleep Thursday night so tried sleeping Friday day but couldn't. I got a few hours kip last night though and I'm hoping to sleep in the next hour or two.

Not sure whether I'll benefit from total food abstinence and water only without my meds on this ongoing fast but I think the pros will outweigh the cons of doing it. Well that's what I'm hoping.

I think I'll have to cave in before getting to 3 days at 8pm this evening. Depends how I feel when I wake up.
 
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I’d be interested to see how svelt he is.
I'm in the healthy BMI range for my age mate. And I live in the country with the lowest(ish) rate of obesity in the world, and mostly eat food made with fresh ingredients every day as a result. Having said that, I was never fat when I lived anywhere else either.
 
I have a full heart screening every year and so far I’ve always been given a clean bill of health.

I have one meal a day plus 7g of creatine and 2x 50g protein and no other supplements. I don’t eat processed food or smoke and I do around 10-15 hours exercise a week and I’ve got a six pack at 44 - if that’s not enough to stave off a heart attack then I may as well sit on my arse and eat mars bars all day.

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I see what you’ve done there , you’ve copied my body and stuck your head on it you fucker:)
 
Black seeds were found in the tomb of Tutankhamun so if it was good enough for him I'll have some more of it I say.
Tutankhamen was known as the boy King and died aged about 18. Not sure that I'd want to follow his method of achieving health and longevity.
 
Nope. Believed that one for years, like everyone else.

No offence mate, but you went on a massive rant earlier about basically the whole of modern medicine, so you seem pretty cynical yourself.
Fair point there pal. I am cynical about prescription medicine tbf but I'm not so stupid not to use when I need to, or maybe I am?
I felt rundown a month ago feeling I had flu coming on so I saw my doc and he said I had a chest infection and gave me a week of antibiotics which shifted it.

It's been 60 hours and 30 mins since I last ate and I'm feeling OK today because I've managed a few hours sleep. I'm still quite tired so am going to try and have another hour or two before getting some 'recommended' bone broth and a few other food items for when I start eating again. Right now I'm not even hungry otherwise I'd be tempted to quit this morning.

Being type two I've not been taking my tablets so maybe I am being stupid? I don't know but I made the decision not to. No metformin altervastatin and sertraline since I started this, non of which I was on 6 months ago.

I took my blood sugar soon after waking up and it's 7.3 which is still slightly better than the average reading when taking medication so I'm quite happy about that. When I start eating I will go back to taking it but may reduce the metformin if my blood sugar readings, I'll try and speak with a doctor tomorrow.

I forgot to buy some pink himalayan rock salt recommended by 2 or 3 doctors on YouTube to add to water with fresh lemon as a simple electrolyte. I'll get some later. I have dived head first into this prolonged fast which wasn't intentional but seeing as I couldn't sleep (through anxiety of my bastard tinnitus ramped up to a high pitch screaming which was becoming unbearable)
I decided to go for it.

I had planned using I nicotine patch when starting a prolonged fast to calm my nerves and try and kick the habit but I didn't have any so carried on when I felt I needed I cig. I only have enough baccy for two more roll ups so I'll need to get some later. Reason I say need is because I've been smoking best part of 45 years and I don't feel quite ready to try and quit just yet but I am going to try and reduce the amount and then go on patches. I'm not going down the vaping route, tried doing it before and couldn't stop coughing. I rarely have a smokers cough through smoking so I'm not swapping cigs for a vape stick chuffing on some fuckin' fancy dingleberry blast flavour or whatever.

Anyway, took me longer to write this than most posts this long because I have pondered on how I've been feeling. And how do I feel? I feel like a prisoner in a cell waiting to break free from type 2 diabetes anxiety and depression that stems from tinnitus and sleep deprivation.

I'm in a much better place in my head than I was a few months back when I felt almost rock bottom. I'll elaborate further on an appropriate thread when I feel ready to and get myself physically fit and mentally strong. For now I feel as though I'm climbing a rung of the ladder of life each day so that is a positive sign.
 
Fair point there pal. I am cynical about prescription medicine tbf but I'm not so stupid not to use when I need to, or maybe I am?
I felt rundown a month ago feeling I had flu coming on so I saw my doc and he said I had a chest infection and gave me a week of antibiotics which shifted it.

It's been 60 hours and 30 mins since I last ate and I'm feeling OK today because I've managed a few hours sleep. I'm still quite tired so am going to try and have another hour or two before getting some 'recommended' bone broth and a few other food items for when I start eating again. Right now I'm not even hungry otherwise I'd be tempted to quit this morning.

Being type two I've not been taking my tablets so maybe I am being stupid? I don't know but I made the decision not to. No metformin altervastatin and sertraline since I started this, non of which I was on 6 months ago.

I took my blood sugar soon after waking up and it's 7.3 which is still slightly better than the average reading when taking medication so I'm quite happy about that. When I start eating I will go back to taking it but may reduce the metformin if my blood sugar readings, I'll try and speak with a doctor tomorrow.

I forgot to buy some pink himalayan rock salt recommended by 2 or 3 doctors on YouTube to add to water with fresh lemon as a simple electrolyte. I'll get some later. I have dived head first into this prolonged fast which wasn't intentional but seeing as I couldn't sleep (through anxiety of my bastard tinnitus ramped up to a high pitch screaming which was becoming unbearable)
I decided to go for it.

I had planned using I nicotine patch when starting a prolonged fast to calm my nerves and try and kick the habit but I didn't have any so carried on when I felt I needed I cig. I only have enough baccy for two more roll ups so I'll need to get some later. Reason I say need is because I've been smoking best part of 45 years and I don't feel quite ready to try and quit just yet but I am going to try and reduce the amount and then go on patches. I'm not going down the vaping route, tried doing it before and couldn't stop coughing. I rarely have a smokers cough through smoking so I'm not swapping cigs for a vape stick chuffing on some fuckin' fancy dingleberry blast flavour or whatever.

Anyway, took me longer to write this than most posts this long because I have pondered on how I've been feeling. And how do I feel? I feel like a prisoner in a cell waiting to break free from type 2 diabetes anxiety and depression that stems from tinnitus and sleep deprivation.

I'm in a much better place in my head than I was a few months back when I felt almost rock bottom. I'll elaborate further on an appropriate thread when I feel ready to and get myself physically fit and mentally strong. For now I feel as though I'm climbing a rung of the ladder of life each day so that is a positive sign.
Sounds like an absolute shitter tbh mate. Having one thing wrong is bad enough, but when they all start to pile up, it can be awful. Good luck with everything.
 
Fair point there pal. I am cynical about prescription medicine tbf but I'm not so stupid not to use when I need to, or maybe I am?
I felt rundown a month ago feeling I had flu coming on so I saw my doc and he said I had a chest infection and gave me a week of antibiotics which shifted it.

It's been 60 hours and 30 mins since I last ate and I'm feeling OK today because I've managed a few hours sleep. I'm still quite tired so am going to try and have another hour or two before getting some 'recommended' bone broth and a few other food items for when I start eating again. Right now I'm not even hungry otherwise I'd be tempted to quit this morning.

Being type two I've not been taking my tablets so maybe I am being stupid? I don't know but I made the decision not to. No metformin altervastatin and sertraline since I started this, non of which I was on 6 months ago.

I took my blood sugar soon after waking up and it's 7.3 which is still slightly better than the average reading when taking medication so I'm quite happy about that. When I start eating I will go back to taking it but may reduce the metformin if my blood sugar readings, I'll try and speak with a doctor tomorrow.

I forgot to buy some pink himalayan rock salt recommended by 2 or 3 doctors on YouTube to add to water with fresh lemon as a simple electrolyte. I'll get some later. I have dived head first into this prolonged fast which wasn't intentional but seeing as I couldn't sleep (through anxiety of my bastard tinnitus ramped up to a high pitch screaming which was becoming unbearable)
I decided to go for it.

I had planned using I nicotine patch when starting a prolonged fast to calm my nerves and try and kick the habit but I didn't have any so carried on when I felt I needed I cig. I only have enough baccy for two more roll ups so I'll need to get some later. Reason I say need is because I've been smoking best part of 45 years and I don't feel quite ready to try and quit just yet but I am going to try and reduce the amount and then go on patches. I'm not going down the vaping route, tried doing it before and couldn't stop coughing. I rarely have a smokers cough through smoking so I'm not swapping cigs for a vape stick chuffing on some fuckin' fancy dingleberry blast flavour or whatever.

Anyway, took me longer to write this than most posts this long because I have pondered on how I've been feeling. And how do I feel? I feel like a prisoner in a cell waiting to break free from type 2 diabetes anxiety and depression that stems from tinnitus and sleep deprivation.

I'm in a much better place in my head than I was a few months back when I felt almost rock bottom. I'll elaborate further on an appropriate thread when I feel ready to and get myself physically fit and mentally strong. For now I feel as though I'm climbing a rung of the ladder of life each day so that is a positive sign.

Interesting read.

So, you're not exercising yet with the fasting? Like I said, I would ease into this myself, but when you start the exercise you will drop the weight quickly depending on the intensity (I did a lot of cardio at the time using HIIT). You HAVE to use weights to keep the muscle because fasting eats into the muscle after it has no fat to burn.

Just be aware of that.
 
Interesting read.

So, you're not exercising yet with the fasting? Like I said, I would ease into this myself, but when you start the exercise you will drop the weight quickly depending on the intensity (I did a lot of cardio at the time using HIIT). You HAVE to use weights to keep the muscle because fasting eats into the muscle after it has no fat to burn.

Just be aware of that.
I have been out walking but that's it. I'm going out shortly walking for at least an hour but that's it. I'm not ready to go to the gym and do weights just yet. I have a gym induction at Denton through Tameside liv-active on Tuesday so I'll have a swim and a light cardio sesh to gradually build fitness up. I'm 61 so I will see how my body is feeling before doing anything to vigorous and strenuous.

Because of my current predicament I'm in a men's HMO right now which isn't ideal but it's OK for now. When I move into my flat in the next couple of weeks I can get my bike from storage and start cycling again which is something I've been enjoying this summer.

I'm perhaps trying to do too much at once and just had an ear bashing over the phone from my eldest daughter who is a nurse. Told her I was 62 hours into a fast without my prescription meds and she lectured me about the dangers. I told her I feel really good this morning physically and mentally. She carried on ranting saying she has 2 degrees and 10 years nursing experience and she knows better. She called me a rebel which I took as a compliment being an ex punk with a care free hippy like mentality. She says I was stressing her out but I feel no stress at all right now. I feel calm and happy and looking forward to living life to the full Iike I used to instead of feeling depressed and merely existing like I have been feeling.
 
I have a full heart screening every year and so far I’ve always been given a clean bill of health.

I have one meal a day plus 7g of creatine and 2x 50g protein and no other supplements. I don’t eat processed food or smoke and I do around 10-15 hours exercise a week and I’ve got a six pack at 44 - if that’s not enough to stave off a heart attack then I may as well sit on my arse and eat mars bars all day.

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I fucking hate you even more mate :)

Seriously though I am considerably older than you are and whilst my 6 pack is a distant memory I eat when I am hungry (No processed foods mainly) and I walk a hell of a lot.

I still have a 32 inch waist and look OK, admittedly I have lost a lot of my strength and speed from earlier in life but I am not doing too badly.
 
I have been out walking but that's it. I'm going out shortly walking for at least an hour but that's it. I'm not ready to go to the gym and do weights just yet. I have a gym induction at Denton through Tameside liv-active on Tuesday so I'll have a swim and a light cardio sesh to gradually build fitness up. I'm 61 so I will see how my body is feeling before doing anything to vigorous and strenuous.

Because of my current predicament I'm in a men's HMO right now which isn't ideal but it's OK for now. When I move into my flat in the next couple of weeks I can get my bike from storage and start cycling again which is something I've been enjoying this summer.

I'm perhaps trying to do too much at once and just had an ear bashing over the phone from my eldest daughter who is a nurse. Told her I was 62 hours into a fast without my prescription meds and she lectured me about the dangers. I told her I feel really good this morning physically and mentally. She carried on ranting saying she has 2 degrees and 10 years nursing experience and she knows better. She called me a rebel which I took as a compliment being an ex punk with a care free hippy like mentality. She says I was stressing her out but I feel no stress at all right now. I feel calm and happy and looking forward to living life to the full instead like I used to instead of feeling depressed and merely existing like I have been feeling.

Most describe it as a 'fog clearing from their mind', but you're feeling 'zen' because your body is purging toxins at this stage. So all your meds, some kinds of plastics or similar come out through the skin and waste etc.

I remember getting headaches and then a clarity when I got to the 48hr stage.
 
I found fasting a doddle when doing keto but eventually lost too much weight, moreso when I went carnivore, and so I'm currently eating what the fuck I like for a year or so to potentially put some weight back on. My disciplines have gone out of the window. I feel worse for it after spending a long time feeling great so looking forward to when it's time to start again. Currently 32 inch waist at 46 years old and cycle 8 miles to and from work so the weight may not pile back on.
It's crazy how much hungrier I am when not doing keto / carnivore and fasting though.
 
Most describe it as a 'fog clearing from their mind', but you're feeling 'zen' because your body is purging toxins at this stage. So all your meds, some kinds of plastics or similar come out through the skin and waste etc.

I remember getting headaches and then a clarity when I got to the 48hr stage.

As soon as i hear "purging toxins" my guard goes up. So many studies have shown detoxes to be a load of guff when it comes to "toxins"
 
As soon as i hear "purging toxins" my guard goes up. So many studies have shown detoxes to be a load of guff when it comes to "toxins"

Some people go to health farms and have their arses syphoned of arse goo, they collect the shit in a bucket and use it for fertiliser for their lentil farm :)
 
As soon as i hear "purging toxins" my guard goes up. So many studies have shown detoxes to be a load of guff when it comes to "toxins"

That's fair, but then weigh up why the medical industry insist you 'keep your taking meds' in order for meds the meds to get into your system.

So, reverse engineering it means they leave if you don't take them within fasting. Eating cleaner produces much the same effect. Buy your food clean, not from packets and one tends to lose the weight better.
 
real wellbeing starts in the hips...the feeler gauges..the brain in our canister is not our first brain.
This but come in English?

As for it being possible to have a six pack and still be unhealthy, name a metric and let’s test each other on it.
 
Interesting read.

So, you're not exercising yet with the fasting? Like I said, I would ease into this myself, but when you start the exercise you will drop the weight quickly depending on the intensity (I did a lot of cardio at the time using HIIT). You HAVE to use weights to keep the muscle because fasting eats into the muscle after it has no fat to burn.

Just be aware of that.
Fuck me, 16 years in and you’ve made a post I agree with.
 

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