This posts sums it up. The club will always sell season tickets and they couldn't give a fuck who they sell them too as long as they get their money.
So you’d be alright with this then ?? Liverpool fans actively celebrating goals in a so called neutral end
There isn’t demand for it though, surely you can see that by the amount of people getting kicked out or the amount of fights/near fights.
We aren’t Fulham. It’s our stadium and away fans shouldn’t be celebrating in our home end.
Interesting read this thread. On one hand there's the usual handful of miserable, moaning fuckers, who don't ever have a good word to say about the club or anything it does and never contribute anything sensible to the debate but are full of hostility nad negativity. I filter those peoples' views out frankly nowadays. On the other hand there's a handful of quite pragmatic posters. I said on Ian Cheeseman's podcast that one of the great things about being on City Matters is that, instead of being stuck behind a keyboard with a fixed view on something, I get to hear and take into account the views of fellow fans, reps and the club. There's no doubt that there's occasions where the club fucks up, including when it's entirely avoidable. There's also occasions when the club does things with good intentions and either doesn't think them through fully or something that probably couldn't have been foreseen happens to screw things up.
I don't have a problem with the basic concept of the club making tickets available to groups, be that schools, sports clubs, universities and colleges, the sports and social clubs of commercial organisations or even the dreaded travel or ticket agencies. My first experience of City was a fre ticket to a reserve game when I was at Primary school. One of my mates is a fanatical Blue who only became one at Manchester University when he lived in Moss Side. Out of those 50, 5 could become season ticket holders of the future and one of the things I'm trying to get the club to do is think longer term about how they'll fill the ground when us older generation don't go any more. So getting non-fans to attend is fine with me in theory.
I also hate the criminalisation of football fans but a large part of that is the confrontational attitude that a minority of fans have towards other fans and this is an example of that. I think I saw that group when I was headed round to my entrance yesterday. There were quite a few of them and they looked to be around Year 6/7. They haven't had the experience many of us have had, standing or sitting with home fans hoping you aren't sussed out or with fights breaking out every few minutes. Back in the 1970's me and my mates were chased out of Upton Park before the game even kicked-off. It wasn't worth the hassle. We may not like it but let's give them some leeway. If they're adults who have knowingly bought tickets in home areas and are taunting our fans then they deserve what they get but these are 10-year old kids. They have no idea of the etiquette of a football stadium and you can't seriously expect a Liverpool-supporting 10-year old kid to sit on his hands when Palace scored. Even if it was explained to them, it's difficult to stop them.
Having said that, it should have been explained to them quite specifically that openly wearing the shirts of opposing teams would not be acceptable and they would risk either being denied admittance or ejected once in. It should be a responsibility of the people supervising them to ensure they abide by whatever conditions are set as part of the arrangement. I really don't want football to get to the point where applying for a ticket becomes like applying for a visa to the USA or Russia and you have to declare what team you or your family support or are subject to background checks though.
I will bring this up. I want to be assured that the club's processes and procedures are robust enough. A "neutral zone" is a good idea but would that stop people moaning? If the North Stand extension is built and incoporates safe standing, there will have to be a major re-configuration of seating areas in the stadium and I'm sure that'll produce some moaning. Personally I thought the club handled the Tunnel Club situation badly and had a number of robust conversations with them over their attitude to people who were forcibly moved. I would hope lessons will be learned from that and situations like this
Interesting read this thread. On one hand there's the usual handful of miserable, moaning fuckers, who don't ever have a good word to say about the club or anything it does and never contribute anything sensible to the debate but are full of hostility nad negativity. I filter those peoples' views out frankly nowadays. On the other hand there's a handful of quite pragmatic posters. I said on Ian Cheeseman's podcast that one of the great things about being on City Matters is that, instead of being stuck behind a keyboard with a fixed view on something, I get to hear and take into account the views of fellow fans, reps and the club. There's no doubt that there's occasions where the club fucks up, including when it's entirely avoidable. There's also occasions when the club does things with good intentions and either doesn't think them through fully or something that probably couldn't have been foreseen happens to screw things up.
I don't have a problem with the basic concept of the club making tickets available to groups, be that schools, sports clubs, universities and colleges, the sports and social clubs of commercial organisations or even the dreaded travel or ticket agencies. My first experience of City was a fre ticket to a reserve game when I was at Primary school. One of my mates is a fanatical Blue who only became one at Manchester University when he lived in Moss Side. Out of those 50, 5 could become season ticket holders of the future and one of the things I'm trying to get the club to do is think longer term about how they'll fill the ground when us older generation don't go any more. So getting non-fans to attend is fine with me in theory.
I also hate the criminalisation of football fans but a large part of that is the confrontational attitude that a minority of fans have towards other fans and this is an example of that. I think I saw that group when I was headed round to my entrance yesterday. There were quite a few of them and they looked to be around Year 6/7. They haven't had the experience many of us have had, standing or sitting with home fans hoping you aren't sussed out or with fights breaking out every few minutes. Back in the 1970's me and my mates were chased out of Upton Park before the game even kicked-off. It wasn't worth the hassle. We may not like it but let's give them some leeway. If they're adults who have knowingly bought tickets in home areas and are taunting our fans then they deserve what they get but these are 10-year old kids. They have no idea of the etiquette of a football stadium and you can't seriously expect a Liverpool-supporting 10-year old kid to sit on his hands when Palace scored. Even if it was explained to them, it's difficult to stop them.
Having said that, it should have been explained to them quite specifically that openly wearing the shirts of opposing teams would not be acceptable and they would risk either being denied admittance or ejected once in. It should be a responsibility of the people supervising them to ensure they abide by whatever conditions are set as part of the arrangement. I really don't want football to get to the point where applying for a ticket becomes like applying for a visa to the USA or Russia and you have to declare what team you or your family support or are subject to background checks though.
I will bring this up. I want to be assured that the club's processes and procedures are robust enough. A "neutral zone" is a good idea but would that stop people moaning? If the North Stand extension is built and incoporates safe standing, there will have to be a major re-configuration of seating areas in the stadium and I'm sure that'll produce some moaning. Personally I thought the club handled the Tunnel Club situation badly and had a number of robust conversations with them over their attitude to people who were forcibly moved. I would hope lessons will be learned from that and situations like this