Away tickets and points?

Originals said:
A ballot really would never work.

We'd get the usual, oversubscribed for United, Liverpool Everton and any big games at the end of the season.

Soon as the midweek games and the Southampton or Palace away come round theyll be the same people (top level points who'd go) and the rest would end up on general sale like how the points system works now.

The points system surely shows who wants to go every game as they are top of the leader for going every game.
Click to expand...
I disagree.

Firstly, the people at the top are there because they were at the right ages/positions at the right point in time. I know a fair few blues who went home and away in the 80s/90s, stopped going in the early 00s, and now struggle to get tickets because they missed the key years. I'm not saying those at the top don't deserve to be there, but we do have to offer opportunities to other (especially younger) fans for numerous reasons. I only started going week in, week out around 2012/2013 (I'm 28). I have managed to get 20k points, but an 18-year-old starting today has very little chance of getting there.

I think a ballot system that includes the following would work quite well:

- Weighted in favour of season card holders with more ticket points.
- Credits 'ticket points' to everyone who applies (regardless of whether they were successful or not).
- Tiered 'ticket points' depending on the opposition (Palace on a Monday night earns more points than United at 5:30 pm on a Sat).
- Allows fans to enter the ballot in groups.
- Only ticket points accumulated in the past 5 years are valid. Older points remain on the supporter's account for reference but don't increase the chance of qualifying for a ticket.
- Scraps platinum membership.
- Open and transparent figures released (number of supporters in ballot. % of fans with X points received tickets etc).

That would mean:

- fans at the top now would stay there (as long as they keep going)
- younger fans only have a 5-year period to catch up (rather than 22 years currently and growing - they might not get loads of tickets in that time, but by showing their intent and applying, they climb the ladder).
- fans with more ticket points are still rewarded with a much greater chance of getting away tickets.
- every City fan, no matter how old they are, starts in the same position of needing to build their points over 5 years rather than the continuously growing gap we have now.
 
Corky said:
Brighton away 2019, families friends and minders even - it shows what happens if they all want to go, they get as many as they want.
Click to expand...
To be honest with you mate, that day Peps wife and kids were sat near us in the away end. ( I didn't know until someone pointed the out )
 
Bigg Bigg Blue said:
To be honest with you mate, that day Peps wife and kids were sat near us in the away end. ( I didn't know until someone pointed the out )
Click to expand...
Noel Gallagher and his entourage were in a box above the away fans, wonder how many points he has or is he a seasonal corporate bloke?
 
When they have been taking money for platinum for years and still selling it they will never go into a ballot. People have already invested too heavily in the hope of moving up the points ladder.
Someone say I am lucky I have 24,5k points. My reply is always the same. While you spend £5k on your 2 week summer holidays I will spend it watching City.
 
Manchester33 said:
Would fans back a reciprocal agreement among the big 6 clubs to double away allocations? It would mean more City fans get to go to the big away games where tickets are in high demand.

It would also mean though, that we have to be fair and offer an extra 3k tickets to their fans at the Etihad.

It would improve the atmosphere tremendously and make those games an even bigger spectacle for TV audiences around the world.

I loved watching the Old Firm derbies when they did this. They aren't quite as special anymore with fewer away fans.
Click to expand...
We need bigger stadiums.

Not piddly little 50-60,000 efforts. We were smashing the shit out of attendances that big in the 1920s with just local fans (from Gary James’ blog the other day: https://player.bfi.org.uk/free/film/watch-million-spectators-welcome-return-of-football-1923-online)

All the big clubs in this country should have 80-100,000 stadiums. With the right ticketing policy, mainly from pricing, we’d all sell that (say City at 80,000 and United at 100,000).

Dortmund is only about the size of Sheffield, yet they have the biggest average attendance in Europe. They built big and sell tickets cheaply.

All away allocations could be 9,000 in stadiums like that.

For the biggest and richest sports league in the world, it’s so fucking pathetic how small we think in the Premier League. We’re still lagging behind the stadiums built 100 years ago.
 
Last edited by a moderator:
Manchester33 said:
I disagree.

Firstly, the people at the top are there because they were at the right ages/positions at the right point in time. I know a fair few blues who went home and away in the 80s/90s, stopped going in the early 00s, and now struggle to get tickets because they missed the key years. I'm not saying those at the top don't deserve to be there, but we do have to offer opportunities to other (especially younger) fans for numerous reasons. I only started going week in, week out around 2012/2013 (I'm 28). I have managed to get 20k points, but an 18-year-old starting today has very little chance of getting there.

I think a ballot system that includes the following would work quite well:

- Weighted in favour of season card holders with more ticket points.
- Credits 'ticket points' to everyone who applies (regardless of whether they were successful or not).
- Tiered 'ticket points' depending on the opposition (Palace on a Monday night earns more points than United at 5:30 pm on a Sat).
- Allows fans to enter the ballot in groups.
- Only ticket points accumulated in the past 5 years are valid. Older points remain on the supporter's account for reference but don't increase the chance of qualifying for a ticket.
- Scraps platinum membership.
- Open and transparent figures released (number of supporters in ballot. % of fans with X points received tickets etc).

That would mean:

- fans at the top now would stay there (as long as they keep going)
- younger fans only have a 5-year period to catch up (rather than 22 years currently and growing - they might not get loads of tickets in that time, but by showing their intent and applying, they climb the ladder).
- fans with more ticket points are still rewarded with a much greater chance of getting away tickets.
- every City fan, no matter how old they are, starts in the same position of needing to build their points over 5 years rather than the continuously growing gap we have now.
Click to expand...
Indeed.

My Dad has easily been to more City games than me in his life but I’ve got about double the amount of loyalty points as he has.

My Grandad was going to watch City in the 1940s yet has ZERO loyalty points as he hasn’t gone much this century and doesn’t have a supporter number.

Just because I was an the right age at the right time when I started going home and away regularly when points first came in, doesn’t mean I’m more worthy of tickets for United and Liverpool away than my Dad and Grandad.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Unread Posts

Don't have an account? Register now and see fewer ads!

SIGN UP
Back
Top
✖
  AdBlock Detected
Bluemoon relies on advertising to pay our hosting fees. Please support the site by disabling your ad blocking software to help keep the forum sustainable. Thanks.