Away tickets

[cptaidan88]

If we drop points to Burnley or Leicester there will be loads available, I'm sure - although quite the opposite of what I'm hoping for

You're not wrong but just a general thought on the matter. The unfortunate ones that have missed out as it stands will no doubt be disappointed, but no system in the world will prevent it.

If, god forbid, we had a full ballot, then imagine how many more drop outs there would be? Or, if the Brighton game is still in our hands - imagine how many would be applying with no intention of going as they know they'll be able to sell it at a profit? Someone who hasn't missed a game for 10 years but missed out on the ballot would be pretty desperate I'd imagine - how much would they pay for a ticket?

Every alleged fault of the current loyalty point system would be amplified by introducing an alternative. The ONLY exception to that is that younger supporters are at a disadvantage, but
1) a ballot has been introduced for 18-25 yr olds,
2) a tweak to the points system moving it to a 5 year rolling period would remove that disadvantage, and
3) on the basis of what I've seen this season I'm not sure its a good idea to give that age group more tickets anyway (sweeping statement I know).

At least with the current system, the vast majority there who have acquired their tickets through the points scheme are there (and been for 20 years) at every game win, lose or draw, in Manchester, Brighton, Ukraine or wherever. The majority with tickets now will still go even if the next 10 days doesn't go to plan and winning the league isn't in our hands.

 

[wolfie1988]

You've done more than the odd away game

I meant in 2006. I go to every one I can get a ticket for now. Only one's i've been unable to get a ticket for this season have been Oxford, Newport and Bournemouth.

I'm just exposing the myths about a closed shop

 

[Eds]

I meant in 2006. I go to every one I can get a ticket for now. Only one's i've been unable to get a ticket for this season have been Oxford, Newport and Bournemouth.

I'm just exposing the myths about a closed shop

Ok fair point...

 

[Jordie]

My brother-in-laws sister lives in Brighton, although she's a Spurs fan I'm sure she's been to one of their games before...

Ask her to get me a ticket then ;-)

 

[bennyboy]

Ask her to get me a ticket then ;-)

And me :)

 

[blue b4 the moon]

You're not wrong but just a general thought on the matter. The unfortunate ones that have missed out as it stands will no doubt be disappointed, but no system in the world will prevent it.

If, god forbid, we had a full ballot, then imagine how many more drop outs there would be? Or, if the Brighton game is still in our hands - imagine how many would be applying with no intention of going as they know they'll be able to sell it at a profit? Someone who hasn't missed a game for 10 years but missed out on the ballot would be pretty desperate I'd imagine - how much would they pay for a ticket?

Every alleged fault of the current loyalty point system would be amplified by introducing an alternative. The ONLY exception to that is that younger supporters are at a disadvantage, but
1) a ballot has been introduced for 18-25 yr olds,
2) a tweak to the points system moving it to a 5 year rolling period would remove that disadvantage, and
3) on the basis of what I've seen this season I'm not sure its a good idea to give that age group more tickets anyway (sweeping statement I know).

At least with the current system, the vast majority there who have acquired their tickets through the points scheme are there (and been for 20 years) at every game win, lose or draw, in Manchester, Brighton, Ukraine or wherever. The majority with tickets now will still go even if the next 10 days doesn't go to plan and winning the league isn't in our hands.

The only way any sort of ballot would work would be a % maybe equally from each of the 3 pots (which isn't going to happen) & ID for ballot winners only to close down that possible black market issue.

More than anything (again not a cat in hells chance) would be ID for all the corporate ticket issues, they could collect from the away ground with a complimentary glass of wine. I'm pretty sure there wouldn't be anything like the take up there is now from them. However, as the club don't seem to give a shit after all there's no direct profit in away tickets its not going to get any better for the 'normal' travelling fans.

 

[Chris Smithson]

You're not wrong but just a general thought on the matter. The unfortunate ones that have missed out as it stands will no doubt be disappointed, but no system in the world will prevent it.

If, god forbid, we had a full ballot, then imagine how many more drop outs there would be? Or, if the Brighton game is still in our hands - imagine how many would be applying with no intention of going as they know they'll be able to sell it at a profit? Someone who hasn't missed a game for 10 years but missed out on the ballot would be pretty desperate I'd imagine - how much would they pay for a ticket?

Every alleged fault of the current loyalty point system would be amplified by introducing an alternative. The ONLY exception to that is that younger supporters are at a disadvantage, but
1) a ballot has been introduced for 18-25 yr olds,
2) a tweak to the points system moving it to a 5 year rolling period would remove that disadvantage, and
3) on the basis of what I've seen this season I'm not sure its a good idea to give that age group more tickets anyway (sweeping statement I know).

At least with the current system, the vast majority there who have acquired their tickets through the points scheme are there (and been for 20 years) at every game win, lose or draw, in Manchester, Brighton, Ukraine or wherever. The majority with tickets now will still go even if the next 10 days doesn't go to plan and winning the league isn't in our hands.

You're leaving out the solution that most city fans would favour though and that is to increase the measly 60% that go to seasoncard holders

Bear in mind this could also be bullshit from the club, some games could easily have less than this if the SC, corporate or club employees want more but taking them on face value, 60% is still a joke

 

[cptaidan88]

The only way any sort of ballot would work would be a % maybe equally from each of the 3 pots (which isn't going to happen) & ID for ballot winners only to close down that possible black market issue.

More than anything (again not a cat in hells chance) would be ID for all the corporate ticket issues, they could collect from the away ground with a complimentary glass of wine. I'm pretty sure there wouldn't be anything like the take up there is now from them. However, as the club don't seem to give a shit after all there's no direct profit in away tickets its not going to get any better for the 'normal' travelling fans.

The system for who gets the tickets is one thing and ID checks to make sure they use them is another.

It is not the fault of the system itself and no system for distributing tickets can or would prevent that. I believe the issue is actually minimised in the current system.

Within reason I am not opposed to ID checks, and could be introduced without much issue whether it be on a 5% or 10% basis. It would be a pain but is preferential to making drastic changes to the loyalty points system.

You're leaving out the solution that most city fans would favour though and that is to increase the measly 60% that go to seasoncard holders

Bear in mind this could also be bullshit from the club, some games could easily have less than this if the SC, corporate or club employees want more but taking them on face value, 60% is still a joke

I agree, but again that is a separate issue from the loyalty points distribution of the available tickets. Its the fairest way of distributing however many tickets the club deem to be available.

 

[fathellensbellend]

who's going to id check the complete frauds who were in the away end the other night, and under what criteria.

Why should genuine fans be subjected to draconian measures, when the club actually facilitate United fans sitting in the City section at Old Trafford when tickets are like gold dust.

If the club shaft the real supporters, it would be nice to see some boycotts of some of the shitty away days, where there is no frauds, and little demand from those who cannot be arsed. I can guarantee the stance would soon alter when there are only a few hundred at places like swansea, newcastle on a midweek night.

Brighton away will be full of complete randoms for certain.

 

[Eds]

Can some categorically answer these questions with 100% accuracy as nobody seems to know the truth:
1. Do all box holders automatically receive away tickets if they ask for them and how many?
2. Do all 93.20, Joes etc automatically receive away tickets if they ask for them and how many?
3. How many away tickets do sponsors receive and do they come out of the 15% corporate allocation or the 5% club
4. The tickets that are sold by agencies for away games, what allocation do they come out of and who are the authorised sellers?
5. The tickets that are sold by agencies that aren't authorised, how do they obtain their tickets and what is the club doing to close down those avenues?
6. Is the split of 60%, 20%, 15% and 5% that we are told is the case the same for every away game - does this also include Wembley Cup Finals
7. Are supporters clubs who abuse the system by allocating tickets to those fans without the required number of points ever penalised?
8. Does the club think it right that 40% of tickets are sold, in theory, not subject to any loyalty i.e. we could 1,200 fans in an allocation of 3,000 who haven't been to an away game either ever or for a long time
9. Does the club believe that having home fans in our away section or fans who have no affinity to the club but just enjoy football is a price worth paying?