Away tickets

[Fabled mabel]

The original post was moaning saying they couldn’t get a ticket to go

Sorry I've lost track of the original post but it seems from this thread at least that availability of tickets has been subject to frequent change.

 

[liamctid]

So how does that mean that people, the same old, the same old, should be be entitled for first dibs at tickets ad infinitum until they decide they 'can't be arsed'and then sell on the ticket (sorry 'pass on the card' and its attached points so someone can assume their ID and join the ranks of the entitled.

City dropped the word 'loyalty' to call them 'tickets point a funny word that can pull on the heartstrings. Going to the matches you mention wasn't more 'loyal' than those loyal who couldn't go for various good reasons. Does paying the Platinum Points Acquisition Fee make you more loyal than someone on minimum wage struggling to feed his family?

Yet again we get the 'us' and 'them' divide being brought into the noble custom of supporting City. Unpleasant was the word I used in the past, a better word than loyal.

Let other fans have a go - you've done your bit for City, fillinmg empty swathes, paying £60 for London games 'the attractive away games' as people put it.

Which is why they've stopped calling them loyalty points and they're now just ticket points.

This thread will keep going round and round in circles but it will always come back to the following:

We have had a system in place for almost 20 years
There are around 700 people who are top of the tree
Most seasons we have at least 7 or 8 league games that go to general sale
The only time people with lesser points feel that "the system doesn't work" is when they cannot get a ticket for Old Trafford/Anfield/cup game with small allocation.

Appears we're back here again.

 

[fathellensbellend]

So how does that mean that people, the same old, the same old, should be be entitled for first dibs at tickets ad infinitum until they decide they 'can't be arsed'and then sell on the ticket (sorry 'pass on the card' and its attached points so someone can assume their ID and join the ranks of the entitled.

City dropped the word 'loyalty' to call them 'tickets point a funny word that can pull on the heartstrings. Going to the matches you mention wasn't more 'loyal' than those loyal who couldn't go for various good reasons. Does paying the Platinum Points Acquisition Fee make you more loyal than someone on minimum wage struggling to feed his family?

Yet again we get the 'us' and 'them' divide being brought into the noble custom of supporting City. Unpleasant was the word I used in the past, a better word than loyal.

Let other fans have a go - you've done your bit for City, fillinmg empty swathes, paying £60 for London games 'the attractive away games' as people put it.

Who would fill the seats if we were shit?

 

[Fabled mabel]

Appears we're back here again.

The system obviously works for some but it doesn't make it fair.

There is no fair reason for the same old, same old people getting tickets all the time with the poor peasants with fewer points having to scrabble for the crumbs that might be left because the Ticket Elite don't fancy Newcastle or Southampton on a Wednesday.

 

[Eds]

So how does that mean that people, the same old, the same old, should be be entitled for first dibs at tickets ad infinitum until they decide they 'can't be arsed'and then sell on the ticket (sorry 'pass on the card' and its attached points so someone can assume their ID and join the ranks of the entitled.

City dropped the word 'loyalty' to call them 'tickets point a funny word that can pull on the heartstrings. Going to the matches you mention wasn't more 'loyal' than those loyal who couldn't go for various good reasons. Does paying the Platinum Points Acquisition Fee make you more loyal than someone on minimum wage struggling to feed his family?

Yet again we get the 'us' and 'them' divide being brought into the noble custom of supporting City. Unpleasant was the word I used in the past, a better word than loyal.

Let other fans have a go - you've done your bit for City, fillinmg empty swathes, paying £60 for London games 'the attractive away games' as people put it.

I did my 'yards' as people say in the 80's and 90's and then marriage and kids come along and the number of aways drops. Kids get a bit older and I can go to more aways with them but I am only on just under 19k, enough for many games but unfortunately not for the derby, liverpool, etc. This despite going to every away derby from 1980 until the 6-1 which was the first I missed. Gutted? Absolutely but that's life. The irony is that I could have gone to Norwich but chose not to but my teenage daughter is and she waited for her points to come around rather than the 18-25 allocation. I am too old to get home at 1.00am, didn't fancy staying over and even if triple points were on offer I wouldn't have gone. People pick and chose games know the rules so shouldn't moan if they miss out

 

[Fabled mabel]

Who would fill the seats if we were shit?

There were certainly plenty of us filling mainly standing room on our travels in the lower division when we were really shit. Those of us that were genuinely at York will tell you it was really packed there and in most places although not everybody fancied Colchester at 1830 on a Saturday night to suit a TV company that soon failed.

No 'loyalty' points, no internet no 'us' and 'them' bickering just all City fans together.

Eee lad them were the days.

 

[liamctid]

The system obviously works for some but it doesn't make it fair.

There is no fair reason for the same old, same old people getting tickets all the time with the poor peasants with fewer points having to scrabble for the crumbs that might be left because the Ticket Elite don't fancy Newcastle or Southampton on a Wednesday.

"The Ticket Elite" will still be doing Newcastle and Southampton, the ones at the top of the points total will go anywhere whenever as it's the way they are. The "scrabble for the crumbs" will usually be because the mid pointers do not fancy it.

This is all getting away from the major point that less than 60% of an allocation is given to those who have got the points for putting a shift in over the years. Those of us on 24k are not the ones stopping the "poor peasants", you can look towards the corp allocation and the internal allocation which either does not get used or gets sold on to ticket websites for huge profits. Or the supporters branches from across the world. No not you lot who put on coaches every week from a Greater Manchester suburb, the Cape Town supporters club who have got two tickets for Anfield but think Claremont Road was a midfielder.

Trust me, I would love our away end to be made up of people from lots of differing points totals, if you have points/a City membership no matter how large or small you're likely to be a proper City fan. Not some JCL from Timbucktu who got into City because of signing Stevey Jovetic or some Soccer Saturday prick who has been offered a ticket through work but would rather be watching Harlequins - these are the people who are stopping the "poor peasants".

 

[Fabled mabel]

I did my 'yards' as people say in the 80's and 90's and then marriage and kids come along and the number of aways drops. Kids get a bit older and I can go to more aways with them but I am only on just under 19k, enough for many games but unfortunately not for the derby, liverpool, etc. This despite going to every away derby from 1980 until the 6-1 which was the first I missed. Gutted? Absolutely but that's life. The irony is that I could have gone to Norwich but chose not to but my teenage daughter is and she waited for her points to come around rather than the 18-25 allocation. I am too old to get home at 1.00am, didn't fancy staying over and even if triple points were on offer I wouldn't have gone. People pick and chose games know the rules so shouldn't moan if they miss out

Not even if the rules are unfair?

Your history is pretty typical of many of us and it is good you have brought your daughter up 'in the faith' so I can empathise with your position entirely.

I just think that a system that largely caters for the same old, same old all the time is inherently unfair.

 

[Blue Mist]

@Fabledmabel every one of your posts uses the phrase 'same old same old', why have you such a hatred for fans that have gone to shit games and built up 'loyalty points'. Last year Newcastle away was right after Christmas/New Year and midweek, I didn't see hundreds of blues moaning they couldn't get a ticket because it had sold out at 18,000 points, mainly because anyone who wanted to go could have but in the main the ones that went are the ones you are moaning about.

 

[Fabled mabel]

"The Ticket Elite" will still be doing Newcastle and Southampton, the ones at the top of the points total will go anywhere whenever as it's the way they are. The "scrabble for the crumbs" will usually be because the mid pointers do not fancy it.

This is all getting away from the major point that less than 60% of an allocation is given to those who have got the points for putting a shift in over the years. Those of us on 24k are not the ones stopping the "poor peasants", you can look towards the corp allocation and the internal allocation which either does not get used or gets sold on to ticket websites for huge profits. Or the supporters branches from across the world. No not you lot who put on coaches every week from a Greater Manchester suburb, the Cape Town supporters club who have got two tickets for Anfield but think Claremont Road was a midfielder.

Trust me, I would love our away end to be made up of people from lots of differing points totals, if you have points/a City membership no matter how large or small you're likely to be a proper City fan. Not some JCL from Timbucktu who got into City because of signing Stevey Jovetic or some Soccer Saturday prick who has been offered a ticket through work but would rather be watching Harlequins - these are the people who are stopping the "poor peasants".

Perhaps is too soon in the season to identify trends because of kick off times, travel etc but there are signs that people are getting off the ladder at some point and it is good that people on the lower rungs are getting to matches albeit the' crumbs' perhaps. A wider distribution amongst season ticket holders can only be a good thing.

Too many tickets are 'getting away' to the agencies whether from the club, including players, the corporate allocation sold on or even the high points holders. Those who have acquired 8 or 9 season cards all with mega points certainly do not do it to 'pass on' to use the euphemism, at face value. The club is aware of these people who use false names and addresses to get the extra cards. Kevin Savage of the OSC explained some of the tickets measures on a video with Ian Cheeseman I think but some people got the wrong end of the stick and went off on tangent.

I do think that it is only fair that the OSC get a decent allocation of tickets. They having been going a long long time and have been involved in ticket distribution since the 70s or longer. Wee before loyalty points and Platinum came to be. There are problem with the way the OSC allocate their allocation. The club is pushing its overseas support and there are now as many overseas branches than UK based. There are some people who enrol in branches overseas purely form tickets but the club and OSC are aware that people do not come from Timbuktu every week and act accordingly. But there are also people in Cape Town etc who have lived away for Manchester for 10 years, kept up with City through their branch and come home to visit their folks and would love to see City whilst in UK. I do not have a hard enough heart to refuse that sort of fan. But what does concern me is when posters on here say their branch gets just two tickets whereas that 'certain suburb in Greater Manchester branch' gets enough to run coaches and other branches get pretty big allocations too. There was talk of asking how the OSC allocate away tickets being raised on the recent AGM but it seems it never happened.

But back to 'points holders' the fact remains that more than half the tickets are distributed to them with priority to the same old, same old and will continue to do so unless the club changes things - which they will. Various methods have been put forward by the club and discussed with CM reps and other parties and some will be implemented in due course.