Baltimore riots

[RandyBlue]

He should know, he spent 5 weeks there, 8 years ago.......

You're denigrating my experience now - what's yours? Listened to a bit of Motown?
As for your precious survey, fifteen states, the vast majority of which were in the American south, did not respond to the survey. Given that the American south has a disproportionate number of black people compared to the rest of the US, I'd say that pretty much invalidates your survey. Now, I'd love to stay and chat with you but I have a flight to catch. Toodle-pip!

Going somewhere for a couple of weeks on holiday?

Be sure to give us a detailed breakdown of the socioeconomic climate wherever it is.

In 6 years time.

I'm sitting in first on the way to AD. They have wi-fi, so I'll deal with your idiocy just this one time. Let me explain something to you. In eight years, the equality gap has not contracted. It hasn't shrunk. Now which way do think it might have headed?

Good boy! It's widened! So my experience of Baltimore was a walk in the park compared to what it is now. Capiche, my slow wee lad? Good. Now, I really must be off - the champers is on its way!

 

[jaxxaj]

I wasn't discussing the report. I was asking whether the poster had been to Baltimore. I have. I spent 5 weeks there on pre-production eight years ago. This isn't about race. This is about economics. Almost every -ism you can imagine, from racism to sexism to fascism, is exacerbated by poverty. And when people are left with no vote (as is the case) and no money (as is the case) and no levers of control over their own destiny, this is what happens.
Look for more of it to come. Not enough has trickled down, and the cities will continue burning until it does.

So you think these people are thinking "I am taking these Air Jordans as a form of social critique regarding the system of economic oppression in the United States" and not "oh wow, free shit".

It's truly amazing how far people will stretch reality to attempt to rationalize their particular hobby point

Fucking hell, you can talk. Looting? There's all this happening and you're endlessly banging on about and scrutinising the looting? Jeepers, you really have no clue. Have you been to Baltimore, by the way? Have you seen the place? Do you really have the foggiest idea what this is about? Or is it really so reductionist and simple for you? That black and white poor people are inherently inferior to rich people. Because that is where your reductionism leads. I'm a very rich white person and even I have a shred of humanity - I have seen the poverty there. I know what Baltimore is like. You just use what is happening there to vent your spleen against people who are different to you.

And you're blind faith in Txiki is misplaced too, BTW. You'll find out very soon.

Oh dear god, you've spend 8 weeks in Baltimore and suddenly it makes you an expert.. I work with minorities every day ( majority blacks) in another US city. Until the blacks start taking actions for their own failures (and that list is fucking long) , majority of them will always be will be living in poverty.

 

[RandyBlue]

He should know, he spent 5 weeks there, 8 years ago.......

You're denigrating my experience now - what's yours? Listened to a bit of Motown?
As for your precious survey, fifteen states, the vast majority of which were in the American south, did not respond to the survey. Given that the American south has a disproportionate number of black people compared to the rest of the US, I'd say that pretty much invalidates your survey. Now, I'd love to stay and chat with you but I have a flight to catch. Toodle-pip!

no response then?,

i hope no member of your family gets ten bells kicked out of them and their property nicked.

mind you there might be a economic or social issue that might justify it, you never know!

Fucking hell. Now I know how it must feel to be a teacher of a remedial class. A man had his spine severed. Fuck the property. And why weren't you collywobblers on here decrying the white riots at Ohio state recently? Or the riots by white surfers on a beach in California? I know why - The Sun didn't report them!

Now, I REALLY must go. The need to prove I'm right does get the best of me sometimes. Bye!

 

[SWP's back]

You're denigrating my experience now - what's yours? Listened to a bit of Motown?
As for your precious survey, fifteen states, the vast majority of which were in the American south, did not respond to the survey. Given that the American south has a disproportionate number of black people compared to the rest of the US, I'd say that pretty much invalidates your survey. Now, I'd love to stay and chat with you but I have a flight to catch. Toodle-pip!

Going somewhere for a couple of weeks on holiday?

Be sure to give us a detailed breakdown of the socioeconomic climate wherever it is.

In 6 years time.

I'm sitting in first on the way to AD. They have wi-fi, so I'll deal with your idiocy just this one time. Let me explain something to you. In eight years, the equality gap has not contracted. It hasn't shrunk. Now which way do think it might have headed?

Good boy! It's widened! So my experience of Baltimore was a walk in the park compared to what it is now. Capiche, my slow wee lad? Good. Now, I really must be off - the champers is on its way!

I'm currently drinking pink champagne by my own pool.

Enjoy, it is very warm in the Gulf this week, was 39 by my pool today, almost ruined the fizz, luckily my maid kept the ice coming. I hope you have a lovely time during you week or so in the sun.

 

[roaminblue]

are you saying its ok in baltimore to kick ten bells out of someone and relieve them of their property because of the situation that pervades there?

Lol, this really made me laugh

I'm gonna guess he's not. I'd assume its more a "treat the disease rather than the symptom" approach

It made you laugh because you're a nincompoop. Look up the phrase, "straw man". It might spark something in the vast industrial wasteland that doubles as your brain. But I won't hold my breath. Would love to continue to chat with you, but my flight has been called. Bye all!

LOL

I know things can sometimes get misinterpreted.

It made me laugh because obviously no one would condone what the gentleman I quoted was accusing you of. Not because I disagree with your what you were necessarily talking about.

I'm actually a big proponent of treating the disease and have states many times that the strongest correlation with crime etc is poverty.

Enjoy your flight, and I'll enjoy nicompoop-hood

 

[tonea2003]

You're denigrating my experience now - what's yours? Listened to a bit of Motown?
As for your precious survey, fifteen states, the vast majority of which were in the American south, did not respond to the survey. Given that the American south has a disproportionate number of black people compared to the rest of the US, I'd say that pretty much invalidates your survey. Now, I'd love to stay and chat with you but I have a flight to catch. Toodle-pip!

no response then?,

i hope no member of your family gets ten bells kicked out of them and their property nicked.

mind you there might be a economic or social issue that might justify it, you never know!

Fucking hell. Now I know how it must feel to be a teacher of a remedial class. A man had his spine severed. Fuck the property. And why weren't you collywobblers on here decrying the white riots at Ohio state recently? Or the riots by white surfers on a beach in California? I know why - The Sun didn't report them!

Now, I REALLY must go. The need to prove I'm right does get the best of me sometimes. Bye!

me in remedial class? you should read the thread mate you really should
i'll try once more
there is no justification for an unrelated individual to the person concerned to go round kicking fuck out of someone and nicking their property.
how you think it is is beyond me, like i say i hope it doesn't happen to someone you care about
and "capiche" who do you think you are? the godfather!

 

[pudge]

Careful, I fear Giles may resort to burning down the forum to get his point across.

 

[worsleyweb]

Going somewhere for a couple of weeks on holiday?

Be sure to give us a detailed breakdown of the socioeconomic climate wherever it is.

In 6 years time.

I'm sitting in first on the way to AD. They have wi-fi, so I'll deal with your idiocy just this one time. Let me explain something to you. In eight years, the equality gap has not contracted. It hasn't shrunk. Now which way do think it might have headed?

Good boy! It's widened! So my experience of Baltimore was a walk in the park compared to what it is now. Capiche, my slow wee lad? Good. Now, I really must be off - the champers is on its way!

I'm currently drinking pink champagne by my own pool.

Enjoy, it is very warm in the Gulf this week, was 39 by my pool today, almost ruined the fizz, luckily my maid kept the ice coming. I hope you have a lovely time during you week or so in the sun.

I am having a can of Shandy Bass In Ancoats. Its grey as usual and not too hot. Just perfect.

 

[Damocles]

I wasn't discussing the report. I was asking whether the poster had been to Baltimore. I have. I spent 5 weeks there on pre-production eight years ago. This isn't about race. This is about economics. Almost every -ism you can imagine, from racism to sexism to fascism, is exacerbated by poverty. And when people are left with no vote (as is the case) and no money (as is the case) and no levers of control over their own destiny, this is what happens.
Look for more of it to come. Not enough has trickled down, and the cities will continue burning until it does.

So you think these people are thinking "I am taking these Air Jordans as a form of social critique regarding the system of economic oppression in the United States" and not "oh wow, free shit".

It's truly amazing how far people will stretch reality to attempt to rationalize their particular hobby point

Fucking hell, you can talk. Looting? There's all this happening and you're endlessly banging on about and scrutinising the looting? Jeepers, you really have no clue. Have you been to Baltimore, by the way? Have you seen the place? Do you really have the foggiest idea what this is about? Or is it really so reductionist and simple for you? That black and white poor people are inherently inferior to rich people. Because that is where your reductionism leads. I'm a very rich white person and even I have a shred of humanity - I have seen the poverty there. I know what Baltimore is like. You just use what is happening there to vent your spleen against people who are different to you.

And you're blind faith in Txiki is misplaced too, BTW. You'll find out very soon.

It's true, I'm a well known Sun reading right wing racist who believes poor people are scum.

Though I've never been to Baltimore to educate myself on the complexities of their social systems to pick it up for 5 weeks, 8 years ago. I did watch The Wire though a few times so consider myself as much as an expert on Baltemore as you are.

And I have educated faith in Txiki. Though I see how easily you confuse the two.

 

[Tragic meat van guy]

I wasn't discussing the report. I was asking whether the poster had been to Baltimore. I have. I spent 5 weeks there on pre-production eight years ago. This isn't about race. This is about economics. Almost every -ism you can imagine, from racism to sexism to fascism, is exacerbated by poverty. And when people are left with no vote (as is the case) and no money (as is the case) and no levers of control over their own destiny, this is what happens.
Look for more of it to come. Not enough has trickled down, and the cities will continue burning until it does.

So you think these people are thinking "I am taking these Air Jordans as a form of social critique regarding the system of economic oppression in the United States" and not "oh wow, free shit".

It's truly amazing how far people will stretch reality to attempt to rationalize their particular hobby point

Fucking hell, you can talk. Looting? There's all this happening and you're endlessly banging on about and scrutinising the looting? Jeepers, you really have no clue. Have you been to Baltimore, by the way? Have you seen the place? Do you really have the foggiest idea what this is about? Or is it really so reductionist and simple for you? That black and white poor people are inherently inferior to rich people. Because that is where your reductionism leads. I'm a very rich white person and even I have a shred of humanity - I have seen the poverty there. I know what Baltimore is like. You just use what is happening there to vent your spleen against people who are different to you.

And you're blind faith in Txiki is misplaced too, BTW. You'll find out very soon.

 

[Tanzeylee]

I'm sitting in first on the way to AD. They have wi-fi, so I'll deal with your idiocy just this one time. Let me explain something to you. In eight years, the equality gap has not contracted. It hasn't shrunk. Now which way do think it might have headed?

Good boy! It's widened! So my experience of Baltimore was a walk in the park compared to what it is now. Capiche, my slow wee lad? Good. Now, I really must be off - the champers is on its way!

I'm currently drinking pink champagne by my own pool.

Enjoy, it is very warm in the Gulf this week, was 39 by my pool today, almost ruined the fizz, luckily my maid kept the ice coming. I hope you have a lovely time during you week or so in the sun.

I am having a can of Shandy Bass In Ancoats. Its grey as usual and not too hot. Just perfect.

Shandy Bass is like an appetiser before the main course...

 

[MillionDollarDream]

More white people than Black die in custody every year, how come the White communities don't riot and loot?

If you represent 64% of the population, of course more white people are going to die in custody every year. But if you really do the math, black deaths are 3 times as high despite having a population 5 times smaller.

You really haven't thought this through have you.

With more black people than white in prison (40% to 34% of the total prison population), it makes even even starker that you are far safer in custody as a black american than as a white one.

You haven't really thought this through as to why the number of black people is higher than whites in prison have you? As we continue to see white police officers not going to jail for unjustly murdering black citizens for starters. You also didn't think through the fact that blacks are given harsher sentences for the same crimes as white people didn't you? You have real nerve.

 

[jimharri]

You're denigrating my experience now - what's yours? Listened to a bit of Motown?
As for your precious survey, fifteen states, the vast majority of which were in the American south, did not respond to the survey. Given that the American south has a disproportionate number of black people compared to the rest of the US, I'd say that pretty much invalidates your survey. Now, I'd love to stay and chat with you but I have a flight to catch. Toodle-pip!

no response then?,

i hope no member of your family gets ten bells kicked out of them and their property nicked.

mind you there might be a economic or social issue that might justify it, you never know!

Fucking hell. Now I know how it must feel to be a teacher of a remedial class. A man had his spine severed. Fuck the property. And why weren't you collywobblers on here decrying the white riots at Ohio state recently? Or the riots by white surfers on a beach in California? I know why - The Sun didn't report them!

Now, I REALLY must go. The need to prove I'm right does get the best of me sometimes. Bye!

Are you still condoning the destruction of innocent peoples' property then (homes, businesses, cars) by opportunists of whatever colour, in whatever part of America (or elsewhere) it happened, simply because the vandals have a problem with the police?

 

[worsleyweb]

If you represent 64% of the population, of course more white people are going to die in custody every year. But if you really do the math, black deaths are 3 times as high despite having a population 5 times smaller.

You really haven't thought this through have you.

With more black people than white in prison (40% to 34% of the total prison population), it makes even even starker that you are far safer in custody as a black american than as a white one.

You haven't really thought this through as to why the number of black people is higher than whites in prison have you? As we continue to see white police officers not going to jail for unjustly murdering black citizens for starters. You also didn't think through the fact that blacks are given harsher sentences for the same crimes as white people didn't you? You have real nerve.

I would guess more black people are in Jail - as they commit more crimes than white people?

 

[i kne albert davy]

You really haven't thought this through have you.

With more black people than white in prison (40% to 34% of the total prison population), it makes even even starker that you are far safer in custody as a black american than as a white one.

You haven't really thought this through as to why the number of black people is higher than whites in prison have you? As we continue to see white police officers not going to jail for unjustly murdering black citizens for starters. You also didn't think through the fact that blacks are given harsher sentences for the same crimes as white people didn't you? You have real nerve.

I would guess more black people are in Jail - as they commit more crimes than white people?

Far too logically I'm afraid.

 

[Why Always Ste]

[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vQaVIoEjOM[/video]

Dickheads will be Dickheads, no matter what race/religion or bank balance they have.
We've seen rioters all over the world, and if there's a shop which can be robbed - it will be by the Dickheads... no matter what Race they are.

But the main issue(s) is overlooked because of these dickheads. we're sat talking about Air Jordans rather than people being oppressed.
The vast majority of people won't be robbing stores and fighting in the street, yet this is what increases website traffic/tv audience figures so this is what you're being shown more.

Educate the dickheads correctly, provide a better standard of Health and Education with clearer pathways to Employment success and the amount of dickheads will decrease.
There will always be dickheads, but poverty simply fuels more dickheads and this is evident across our whole planet.

The Police are just a reactionary procedure in place to capture criminals. The real oppressor is the prosecution/prison system which is quite simply a Rinse & Repeat system where people are captured, thrown in the privately operated prison for a few months, then thrown back out on the streets to once again commit the same crimes as their employability is decreased due to criminal records and the real problems they have have not been treated.

Rehabilitation has shown to help people significantly. help the alcoholic who's stealing to fund his drinking habit, place him into detox clinics, provide free courses for him to gain qualifications/skills and then support him with work placements/job offers in his community.

Sadly - Rehabilitation is just another expense for the establishment and they'd rather load their Group4 buddies pockets with more privatised prisons, and thus less people are Rehabilitated and just thrown in to the scrapyard.

Just imagine yourself in a situation where you have resulted in committing crimes after being drug/alcohol dependent, eventually put into prison, and then you come out of prison, given a council flat (lucky you) in an high unemployment area and have no (or little) previous work history/skills.
You apply for jobs regularly but nothing comes up, and the only jobs you get offered are for zero hour contract type warehouse jobs.

"Fuck this" they say... they'd rather just waste their lives away drinking/smoking crack than working minimum wage in a warehouse night shift.

Whereas the person who has had a decent education, graduated from Uni and has had a good few jobs... ends up on the wrong side of Booze for a few years and ends up losing his job and has it tough for a few years.
Yet.... His parents live in a wealthy home still, he can camp there until he's back on his feet, and with his families savings he's gone into a private detox clinic.
He has the education, he has the previous work experience, and thus applies for better well paid jobs and is sooner rather than later back functioning again.

He has no reason to riot on the streets. He's had good jobs, he's had the good education, sure he experimented with drink/drugs but he could afford the private detox clinic.

So what about the dickheads roaming our streets?
Well as I stated at the start of this claptrap ;) Help those who need the help, those who are want help with better healthcare, better education and job prospects.

Help your fellow neighbour and you'll notice the flowers in his garden will look nicer.

 

[bobmcfc]

Baltimore Pfff, they wanna try living in clayton ! I have to go to the posh part of ancoats if I want a Bass shandy !

 

[mindmyp's_n_q's]

You haven't really thought this through as to why the number of black people is higher than whites in prison have you? As we continue to see white police officers not going to jail for unjustly murdering black citizens for starters. You also didn't think through the fact that blacks are given harsher sentences for the same crimes as white people didn't you? You have real nerve.

I would guess more black people are in Jail - as they commit more crimes than white people?

Far too logically I'm afraid.

So logical that according to the FBI it simply isn't true.

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2012/crime-in-the-u.s.-2012/tables/43tabledatadecoverviewpdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/cr ... verviewpdf</a>

 

[worsleyweb]

I would guess more black people are in Jail - as they commit more crimes than white people?

Far too logically I'm afraid.

So logical that according to the FBI it simply isn't true.

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2012/crime-in-the-u.s.-2012/tables/43tabledatadecoverviewpdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/cr ... verviewpdf</a>

That told me that 13% of the American population (the black community) commit over 34% of the crimes.

 

[MillionDollarDream]

no response then?,

i hope no member of your family gets ten bells kicked out of them and their property nicked.

mind you there might be a economic or social issue that might justify it, you never know!

Fucking hell. Now I know how it must feel to be a teacher of a remedial class. A man had his spine severed. Fuck the property. And why weren't you collywobblers on here decrying the white riots at Ohio state recently? Or the riots by white surfers on a beach in California? I know why - The Sun didn't report them!

Now, I REALLY must go. The need to prove I'm right does get the best of me sometimes. Bye!

Are you still condoning the destruction of innocent peoples' property then (homes, businesses, cars) by opportunists of whatever colour, in whatever part of America (or elsewhere) it happened, simply because the vandals have a problem with the police?

Peoples lives > property. Property has insurance on it, it can be rebuilt. Freddie Gray and other like him who have been unjustly murdered by the hands of police can't be brought back. Focus on the real issues here.
Here is what people are actually saying in Baltimore:

"Gardner said she — like most African-Americans in Baltimore — is deeply upset about the death of Freddie Gray, allegedly at the hands of police.

But Gardner said she didn’t recognize the people who starting lobbing bricks at cops and looting businesses after Gray’s funeral on Monday.

“These guys aren't from here, they go from place to place causing trouble,” she said. “This doesn't accomplish anything. This is our neighborhood."

So a woman actually from the community says she doesn't recognize those actually causing trouble so it isn't a simple "why are they destroying their own community" the answer is they aren't.

Also: "Tony Banks, 48, said the destruction makes him sad, but he understands why the young men in the West Baltimore section lashed out violently against the police.

"This isn't just about Freddie Gray,” he said. “There have been a lot of Freddie Grays in this neighborhood. It's been going on for years. You have to look past Freddie Gray. Past last week. You need to look back 10 years."

Banks said many residents fear the six officers suspended after Gray died under suspicious circumstances on April 19 will never be charged with a crime.



"People feel these officers never get indicted,” he said. “The police do a lot and get away with it."

Bishop Douglas Miles: "This part of the city is neglected,” he said. “Forty years of neglect. There are few after school programs for kids. They don't know where to go. It's a community under siege by the ills of society. We have high incarceration rates. High crime. High rates of addiction."

No wonder, said Miles, people are fed up.



"We tell the mayor, just come here,” he said. “

Here's your link: <a class="postlink" href="http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/baltimore-woman-homeless-jobless-due-rioters-article-1.2202301" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nationa ... -1.2202301</a>