Bayern Munich vs. City Post-Match Discussion Thread

[spacecadet]

If that handball is at the other end I guarantee you're screaming for a pen.

If I was I would be wrong as it is not a handball.

Unless you are saying the rules are incorrect?

It's a difficult one not to give is what I'm saying, clearly hand to ball and could the ref really tell from his viewpoint that it was accidental?

And you gave me stick last night for Barry at full-back? Difficult one not to give? Bollocks sunshine.

 

[mammutly]

In the first half we were wholly outclassed. Made a better job of the second 45, but overall Bayern were by far the better side.

I didn't see any great new plan emerging tonight. We played pretty well in the same style as last year.

Total bollocks but that's as expected I suppose.

Are you going to be a tit all season because Mancini was rightly sacked?

I'm going to be a realist. Support the team and see what happens. One thing I'm not going to do is continually personalise debate and constantly hark back to last season like some tits on here

 

[LookIfoundmyKnob]

Considering that this ref was voted worst ref of the Bundesliga a couple years ago by the players in the first half of the season and he has also screwed out the Croatian NT a couple years ago as well as Chile when they played against Argentina where he was almost killed by enraged fans.

I think there was some bias. Yes.

Not only that but it's pretty clear Nasri & Dzeko should NOT have been called offsides.

At least we know we can change the pace of play. Go from a fluid attacking scheme to a defensive counter. Brilliant management by Pelle.

 

[bayern blade]

Hahahaha. So the rules are wrong then?

Possibly, I'm just saying that if that had been at the other end every fan on here would have been slating the ref for NOT giving it had he waved play on.

 

[MCC]

Bring back zonal marking for corners. We were all over the shop man for man.

 

[TheMaineRoad]

Hahahaha. So the rules are wrong then?

Possibly, I'm just saying that if that had been at the other end every fan on here would have been slating the ref for NOT giving it had he waved play on.

The rules are "possibly" wrong. No they aren't wrong.

 

[Ducado]

The referee aside

I was a good performance, defence looked well drilled bit unlucky with some of the chances

A great chance to test the team, a lot will have been learnt from that

 

[pee dubya]

The referree did not do anything wrong. The penalty was after a clear handball - hand in the box and it is - and the offsides all were correct.

Oh fuck off and read up what constitutes a hand ball.

It HAS to be DELIBERATE.

The Boyata yellow for a perfect tackle and giving a free kick to your keeper when he was out of his goal and Yaya was lining up a shot into an empty goal. Plus a handful of other silly free kicks.

If that handball is at the other end I guarantee you're screaming for a pen.

No i think these decisions are the most ridiculous in football these days. For handballs it's just a roll of the dice every time, there's no consistency, no clear rule, nothing. We've been given some shockers as well i believe.

Zabaleta's arm went up naturally for balance, he wasn't looking at the ball, probably didn't even know where it was going. The ball hitting his arm was a total accident, the ball wasn't going towards goal or into a particularly dangerous area. He didn't block a pass or a shot or gain any advantage from it. It was a totally inconsequential and accidental event, yet they get a goal for it. Ludicrous.

 

[SWP's back]

In the first half we were wholly outclassed. Made a better job of the second 45, but overall Bayern were by far the better side.

I didn't see any great new plan emerging tonight. We played pretty well in the same style as last year.

Total bollocks but that's as expected I suppose.

Are you going to be a tit all season because Mancini was rightly sacked?

I'm going to be a realist. Support the team and see what happens. One thing I'm not going to do is continually personalise debate and constantly hark back to last season like some tits on here

Your agenda is as clear as day.

If you really can't see that we now cross a fucking ball then that is your hard luck, vocalising that fact only alerts the forum to your lack of clue.

 

[ChicagoBlue]

Thought Boyata had an atrocious first 5 minutes, with a couple of really bad giveaways in dangerous positions that just can't happen out of a player in that position, but he settled down a bit and was OK, even good at times. Wasn't the calm and composed always in control kind of good that VK or even Nastasic provides, more of a frenetic maximum effort living by the seat of his pants kind of good that I never find convincing but some players can just play that way.

Seriously?

Nastasic is better, but that is a ridiculous analysis of Boyata's overall game. And, he made the best tackle of the game and got a yellow card because Ribery rolled around! F'ing joke call from Stark!!

Boyata, with a few more games under his belt, will be the #1 back-up, and to think that he and Nasty are younger than me COMBINED blows my mind.

Sadly, Boyata was exposed by Zaba going missing multiple times. After Richards performance yesterday, Zaba will be very disappointed with his performance today......and how great is THAT?!!

The thing that the pre-season (so far) has shown me is that the "two in any position" mentality has helped UP the game of numerous players.

Nasri is a good example, where Pelle is playing him as a second striker when necessary.....and he looks great there....AND he has been fighting for the ball on the front line!!

Milner is another player who I have always admired, but who has upped his game. His LEFT FOOTED ball to Dzeko in the 89th minute was brilliant, as has his left foot crossing! That means that when he plays EITHER wing, he can get the ball over down the line or inside. Excellent add'l string to his bow.

I would like to see WHOEVER the "third choice" left back is play some games, because Kolarov has changed his game to the left midfielder he wants to be and is an insufficient LB replacement for Clichy. I thought Rekik was going to be bloodied there this season, but now he's at PSV, that kicks that in the head!! (BTW, he had a great debut @ PSV, with highlights already on YT!)

All in all, I am ecstatic to say "We were robbed!" Whodathunk that before the game and after seeing the starting line ups! When I saw them, I thought we were going to get a bit of a pasting....Essentially CIty Second XI vs Bayern's First XI!!

 

[leewill31]

It was a blatant penalty. Surely anyone would say if their side wasn't given that they'd be on the barricades !

A good game, Kompany was immense for City (German tv gave him Man of the Match), Müller was class for us. I thought we deserved to win, we looked sharp first half, but the result was irrelevant, it was a good test against a good side and we look as though we'll be ready when the season starts.

behave it was no where near blatant and if your german in the pocket ref had the balls he would have called the correct decision!

ball to hand and in no way intentional....

 

[SWP's back]

Hahahaha. So the rules are wrong then?

Possibly, I'm just saying that if that had been at the other end every fan on here would have been slating the ref for NOT giving it had he waved play on.

So by the rules, was it a penalty?

 

[BertTrautmann'sParachute]

No wonder that shower of wankers that are bayern munich won the league by so many points if that's the calibre of referee they have over in Gemany. Bent isn't even in it. Reminded me of the 1975 European Cup final all over again.

 

[ballinio]

It was a blatant penalty. Surely anyone would say if their side wasn't given that they'd be on the barricades !

A good game, Kompany was immense for City (German tv gave him Man of the Match), Müller was class for us. I thought we deserved to win, we looked sharp first half, but the result was irrelevant, it was a good test against a good side and we look as though we'll be ready when the season starts.

rags of germany, is that how you win your trophy`s , by having refs in your pocket, same thing will happen if we play you in the champions league, dispicable cheating twats, even in a friendly. No respect whatsoever for Munich

 

[Maldeika]

It was a blatant penalty. Surely anyone would say if their side wasn't given that they'd be on the barricades !

A good game, Kompany was immense for City (German tv gave him Man of the Match), Müller was class for us. I thought we deserved to win, we looked sharp first half, but the result was irrelevant, it was a good test against a good side and we look as though we'll be ready when the season starts.

how can it be a blatant penalty he wasnt even looking at the ball

What does his hand have to do in the air when the ball is in the air. That is a penalty that would have been given in any Bundesliga match and probably in every CL match (if the referee would have seen it and the opponent would not be Barca...)

We had 2 penalties given against us when Boateng turned himself a little and his arm was straight down his body. He cannot cut it away.

It is nothing to discuss long about. The hand was not in a position it should be. It touched the ball. It was in the box. Penalty.

I though Starke did a very good job. I have seen a lot bad referreeing in the recent year especially in the international matches - and this was a good one. I think he got all offsides right - there were one or two of Bayern that were very close. Nasri's knee was clear offside.

 

[lancs blue]

If I was I would be wrong as it is not a handball.

Unless you are saying the rules are incorrect?

It's a difficult one not to give is what I'm saying, clearly hand to ball and could the ref really tell from his viewpoint that it was accidental?

And you gave me stick last night for Barry at full-back? Difficult one not to give? Bollocks sunshine.

So watching it live in real-time your first impression wasn't "shit that's handball"?? Give it a rest FFS.

 

[Paulmcfc2703]

Hahahaha. So the rules are wrong then?

Possibly, I'm just saying that if that had been at the other end every fan on here would have been slating the ref for NOT giving it had he waved play on.

Being the rags of Germany means you are used to having dodgy decisions so I guess it's understandable that you can't see how poor a decision it was.

 

[Deleted member 52846]

The referree did not do anything wrong. The penalty was after a clear handball - hand in the box and it is - and the offsides all were correct.

The actual laws of the game are:

FIFA Laws of the Game 2013-14

Direct free kick

A direct free kick is awarded to the opposing team if a player commits any of the following seven offences in a manner considered by the referee to be careless, reckless or using excessive force:
kicks or attempts to kick an opponent
trips or attempts to trip an opponent
jumps at an opponent
charges an opponent
strikes or attempts to strike an opponent
pushes an opponent
tackles an opponent

A direct free kick is also awarded to the opposing team if a player commits any of the following three offences:
holds an opponent
spits at an opponent
handles the ball deliberately (except for the goalkeeper within his own penalty area)
A direct free kick is taken from the place where the offence occurred (see Law 13 - Position of free kick).
Penalty kick
A penalty kick is awarded if any of the above ten offences is committed by a player inside his own penalty area, irrespective of the position of the ball, provided it is in play.

Read more at <a class="postlink" href="http://www.thefa.com/football-rules-governance/laws/football-11-11/law-12---fouls-and-misconduct.aspx#L5AIRiX6ZcGrrphF.99" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.thefa.com/football-rules-gov ... cGrrphF.99</a>

It is supposed to be "deliberate" hand ball.

However, an ex Premier League referee (David Ellery) once said "Referees look at two specifics - did the hand or arm go towards the ball or in a manner which would block the ball, or is the hand in a position where it would not normally be?"
This seems to be universally the way referees officiate the handball law, however, they aren't correct in their interpretation of the rule. If the laws are changed then I will accept that unnatural positions of the arms when striking the ball to be a hand ball, but at the moment the laws state "deliberate" only and I will only accept that as the correct decision.

 

[Mancity1980]

Navas is just brilliant.....it does not matter which defender tries to mark him as he just waltzes on past them. He is going to terrify defences in the Premier League.

Considering the opposition, every City fan should be absolutely buzzing off that

A fair ref, and Silva, Aguero and Nasty and we'd have won. Doesn't really matter. The main thing is we opened up bayern time and time again, and if the players didn't know before, they know now just what they can do this season

Doesn't matter what Utd or Chelsea do in the transfer mkt, MCFC should be very very competitive this season

So Rooney to Chelsea and Ronaldo to the Rags will make no difference?

 

[bayern blade]

Hahahaha. So the rules are wrong then?

Possibly, I'm just saying that if that had been at the other end every fan on here would have been slating the ref for NOT giving it had he waved play on.

The rules are "possibly" wrong. No they aren't wrong.

His arm is above his head, he clearly handles the ball, almost every ref is going to give a pen for that, deliberate or not.