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JoeMercer'sWay said:Billy, it seems you still can't take a joke, nvm.
Shit jokes that ended with the end of the 10/11 season aren't really my bag. Still, I'm sure you amused that fucking god forsaken god botherer...
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Boots_ said:Our group contained teams from each of the 3 major leagues outside England ie. Italy, Germany & Spain.
Their group was even easier to get out of than the Sugarbabes.
Ours was harder than trying to get into them:)
Prestwich_Blue
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Happy if we both take a deep breath, calm it down and bring it back on subject.JoeMercer'sWay said:johnny crossan said:Thanks for that JMW. I just hoped the difference wasn't so much that it affected our FFP effort significantly. (In vain it seems.)JoeMercer'sWay said:United made 53m euros last year, 27m of which is knockout stage money.
Porto made something like 7.8m euros, about 6 of which was knockout money.
it goes something 200,000 euros for the last 32, 300,000 for last 16, 400,000 last 8, can't remember the semi's but it was 3,000,000 to the winner and 2,000,000 to the runner-up(euros) last year.
No, you have to remember our books looked very different to United last season, they made 53.2m Euros, we made 6.1m.
Now on TV Market Pool alone, if we take the minimum of the 4 English clubs last season Tottenham made 14m euros, Ours might be less as we didn't qualify but we'll be a fair few million up. There was also a 3.9m participation bonus, 3.3m match bonus, and if it were last season we'd have made 2.8m in performance bonus.
Say if we only get 10-12m for TV, we could still make about 22m euros, which is 15.9m up on last season, plus if we do ok in the Europa we'll make a few bob from that.
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Billy, it seems you still can't take a joke, nvm.
Prestwich, another unnecessary jibe, shame.
Damo & LT, I'm calm and not having a breakdown, just slightly annoyed that I get jibes for making a light hearted comment after already making a researched contribution to the thread, but what should I expect...don't think I'll bother anymore.
They would always make more than us atm as the formula for market pool distribution is skewed by previous participation but I can't quite work out how. So even if we'd got exactly the same results as them, they'd get more from the group stages than we would for the moment.
The market pool is given out at the end of the group stage so doesn't depend on how far we get in this season's competition as I understand it. So Spurs earned a total of €25m before te knock out stages prize money was added. That should be roughly what we get. Rags & Chelsea got about €38m each from the group stages and the rags got another €16m for getting to the final. So they'll be a few million down on last year plus all the ticket/commercial/merchandise revenues, which could be at least another £20m. That's probably near enough their bond interest payment for the year they've dropped.
JoeMercer'sWay
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Prestwich_Blue said:Happy if we both take a deep breath, calm it down and bring it back on subject.JoeMercer'sWay said:johnny crossan said:Thanks for that JMW. I just hoped the difference wasn't so much that it affected our FFP effort significantly. (In vain it seems.)
No, you have to remember our books looked very different to United last season, they made 53.2m Euros, we made 6.1m.
Now on TV Market Pool alone, if we take the minimum of the 4 English clubs last season Tottenham made 14m euros, Ours might be less as we didn't qualify but we'll be a fair few million up. There was also a 3.9m participation bonus, 3.3m match bonus, and if it were last season we'd have made 2.8m in performance bonus.
Say if we only get 10-12m for TV, we could still make about 22m euros, which is 15.9m up on last season, plus if we do ok in the Europa we'll make a few bob from that.
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Billy, it seems you still can't take a joke, nvm.
Prestwich, another unnecessary jibe, shame.
Damo & LT, I'm calm and not having a breakdown, just slightly annoyed that I get jibes for making a light hearted comment after already making a researched contribution to the thread, but what should I expect...don't think I'll bother anymore.
They would always make more than us atm as the formula for market pool distribution is skewed by previous participation but I can't quite work out how. So even if we'd got exactly the same results as them, they'd get more from the group stages than we would for the moment.
The market pool is given out at the end of the group stage so doesn't depend on how far we get in this season's competition as I understand it. So Spurs earned a total of €25m before te knock out stages prize money was added. That should be roughly what we get. Rags & Chelsea got about €38m each from the group stages and the rags got another €16m for getting to the final. So they'll be a few million down on last year plus all the ticket/commercial/merchandise revenues, which could be at least another £20m. That's probably near enough their bond interest payment for the year they've dropped.
yeah, I'm cool with just carrying on, I just made a joke about Dave and didn't appreciate your pea brain comment, which is why I brought up the other thread and so on.
Anyway I took Spurs figure as it was the lowest, Arsenal was 16m Euros, United 25mE and Chelsea 27mE, we won't get as much as them but we had some pretty high profile games, were always on SS2 or ITV1 so maybe that'll have some bearing.
End of the day we'll make a tidy profit on this season and another next season once we improve so it'll all help to FFPR, United have dropped a bollock and hurt themselves twofold, one with any repayment and the other it's £15-20m gone that they could have had on a central midfielder, and the likes of Sneijder won't come as they're in the CL and youngsters like Gotze will cost a fortune.
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If I were a rag, I'd be imploring the Glazers to make sure the manager has a rigorous health check given he is quoted as saying "not in my lifetime".
Given the double whammy of the PIK notes and the other debt, have United been double Glazed?
Given the double whammy of the PIK notes and the other debt, have United been double Glazed?
JoeMercer'sWay
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just on the finances again our matchday revenues will have gone up due to full houses as opposed to empty tier 3's and relying on Poles bringing extra fans etc., and I'll be damned if there aren't performance related bonuses in sponsorship contracts, as you'll get more exposure in the Champions League than the Europa League, it's worth more.
Prestwich_Blue
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Those figures were just market pool though and don't include the other prize money for being there and wins/draws. A Spurs fan told me he reckoned their overall take from the CL was somehere in the region of £45m. Deduct £15m for the knock-out rounds and we've probably grossed something like £30m across all revenue streams.JoeMercer'sWay said:Prestwich_Blue said:Happy if we both take a deep breath, calm it down and bring it back on subject.JoeMercer'sWay said:No, you have to remember our books looked very different to United last season, they made 53.2m Euros, we made 6.1m.
Now on TV Market Pool alone, if we take the minimum of the 4 English clubs last season Tottenham made 14m euros, Ours might be less as we didn't qualify but we'll be a fair few million up. There was also a 3.9m participation bonus, 3.3m match bonus, and if it were last season we'd have made 2.8m in performance bonus.
Say if we only get 10-12m for TV, we could still make about 22m euros, which is 15.9m up on last season, plus if we do ok in the Europa we'll make a few bob from that.
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Billy, it seems you still can't take a joke, nvm.
Prestwich, another unnecessary jibe, shame.
Damo & LT, I'm calm and not having a breakdown, just slightly annoyed that I get jibes for making a light hearted comment after already making a researched contribution to the thread, but what should I expect...don't think I'll bother anymore.
They would always make more than us atm as the formula for market pool distribution is skewed by previous participation but I can't quite work out how. So even if we'd got exactly the same results as them, they'd get more from the group stages than we would for the moment.
The market pool is given out at the end of the group stage so doesn't depend on how far we get in this season's competition as I understand it. So Spurs earned a total of €25m before te knock out stages prize money was added. That should be roughly what we get. Rags & Chelsea got about €38m each from the group stages and the rags got another €16m for getting to the final. So they'll be a few million down on last year plus all the ticket/commercial/merchandise revenues, which could be at least another £20m. That's probably near enough their bond interest payment for the year they've dropped.
yeah, I'm cool with just carrying on, I just made a joke about Dave and didn't appreciate your pea brain comment, which is why I brought up the other thread and so on.
Anyway I took Spurs figure as it was the lowest, Arsenal was 16m Euros, United 25mE and Chelsea 27mE, we won't get as much as them but we had some pretty high profile games, were always on SS2 or ITV1 so maybe that'll have some bearing.
End of the day we'll make a tidy profit on this season and another next season once we improve so it'll all help to FFPR, United have dropped a bollock and hurt themselves twofold, one with any repayment and the other it's £15-20m gone that they could have had on a central midfielder, and the likes of Sneijder won't come as they're in the CL and youngsters like Gotze will cost a fortune.
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For him to be right about that he has less than four weeks to live, because the actual quote was in answer to a question as to whether city will ever go into a derby as favourites.strongbowholic said:If I were a rag, I'd be imploring the Glazers to make sure the manager has a rigorous health check given he is quoted as saying "not in my lifetime".
Given the double whammy of the PIK notes and the other debt, have United been double Glazed?
I'm no gambler but I'd be willing to bet we are firm favourites for that one already.
LongsightM13
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How can Gary James not be considered a media contact for City supporters? Madness.
I agree with our fans needing a stronger voice out there, especially when you can't open a newspaper or football magazine these days without being subjected to the graceless, charmless, smug, snide sniping and fake myth-building of the gormless cockwomble Andy Mitten, aka 'Oddbod Junior'.
The fact the MEN pays this self-righteous goon (he moved to Barcelona so he knows everything about everything) for regular columns without balance on the City side speaks volumes. Gary's wonderfully researched articles in the days approaching the semi final were a rare treat by comparison (cue the MEN fan club rushing to defend the honour of his favourite paper and its totally unbiased sports editor).
A word of warning though, lads. Forming some sort of semi-formal group to speak for City fans will leave you open to accusations of self-serving elitism and of creating a clique of unrepresentative, middle class old men. I'm sure that's not your intention at all, but it could be misinterpreted that way. Look at the grief the Blue Alliance lads and, before that, Bluewatch have had on here just for creating semi-formal 'atmosphere groups'.
Seems that just lately, some blues are happier turning on their own than enjoying the ride.
I agree with our fans needing a stronger voice out there, especially when you can't open a newspaper or football magazine these days without being subjected to the graceless, charmless, smug, snide sniping and fake myth-building of the gormless cockwomble Andy Mitten, aka 'Oddbod Junior'.
The fact the MEN pays this self-righteous goon (he moved to Barcelona so he knows everything about everything) for regular columns without balance on the City side speaks volumes. Gary's wonderfully researched articles in the days approaching the semi final were a rare treat by comparison (cue the MEN fan club rushing to defend the honour of his favourite paper and its totally unbiased sports editor).
A word of warning though, lads. Forming some sort of semi-formal group to speak for City fans will leave you open to accusations of self-serving elitism and of creating a clique of unrepresentative, middle class old men. I'm sure that's not your intention at all, but it could be misinterpreted that way. Look at the grief the Blue Alliance lads and, before that, Bluewatch have had on here just for creating semi-formal 'atmosphere groups'.
Seems that just lately, some blues are happier turning on their own than enjoying the ride.