Benjamin Mendy

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Sorry fella my post was tongue in cheek. I agree, I really don't understand why people go on about values. The few deals that have happened so far show how crazy this window is.
No worries :p I should have directed this toward @Dax777. Boggles the mind how much he's worried about player valuations. How do you think we went from 200m to 1.6b Dax?! Club couldn't give two shits about being off by a few million in valuation!
 
proper valuation by whom? We will pay what we believe to be his value
Even if we have to overpay we do. And it's 100% the right move. It's small time if we overpay as long as it raises the clubs value. Not sure why people don't understand this. Why do people think we contemplated giving Mino 40m?
 
Even if we have to overpay we do. And it's 100% the right move. It's small time if we overpay as long as it raises the clubs value. Not sure why people don't understand this. Why do people think we contemplated giving Mino 40m?
I think people simply assume value = £, whereas for me it is the non monetary value that counts the most i.e. what he does to the team
 
proper valuation by whom? We will pay what we believe to be his value
Duh! Me :) based on what I think the market suggests.

Fullbacks simply are not that valuable. About 5 very good ones have moved this summer already. One can gauge what a fair price is based on those prices and also the historical prices of fullbacks.

And its clear to see in the prices so far this year: 24, 14, 15, 8, and 12 million euros what a fair price might be for a very good but young fullback. 40 million pounds really isn't it.

I know the phrase "that's the market these days" is often used by fans to justify what clearly seems excessive. Many would disagree and would conflate issues. Fair enough, but for me the general prices of players around your quality often help set your price.

But then again, I could be wrong and this could be viewed as a flap :) But o doubt it.
 
Duh! Me :) based on what I think the market suggests.

Fullbacks simply are not that valuable. About 5 very good ones have moved this summer already. One can gauge what a fair price is based on those prices and also the historical prices of fullbacks.

And its clear to see in the prices so far this year: 24, 14, 15, 8, and 12 million euros what a fair price might be for a very good but young fullback. 40 million pounds really isn't it.

I know the phrase "that's the market these days" is often used by fans to justify what clearly seems excessive. Many would disagree and would conflate issues. Fair enough, but for me the general prices of players around your quality often help set your price.

But then again, I could be wrong and this could be viewed as a flap :) But o doubt it.
Its irrelevant what other fullbacks have gone for. We have identified the ones we want and we will pay the least we can, the only other options are getting second choice players for less, or not getting them in for pre season while we haggle for a few million and risk not getting them at all.
What you or I think is the right price doesn't mean a thing.
 
Duh! Me :) based on what I think the market suggests.

Fullbacks simply are not that valuable. About 5 very good ones have moved this summer already. One can gauge what a fair price is based on those prices and also the historical prices of fullbacks.

And its clear to see in the prices so far this year: 24, 14, 15, 8, and 12 million euros what a fair price might be for a very good but young fullback. 40 million pounds really isn't it.

I know the phrase "that's the market these days" is often used by fans to justify what clearly seems excessive. Many would disagree and would conflate issues. Fair enough, but for me the general prices of players around your quality often help set your price.

But then again, I could be wrong and this could be viewed as a flap :) But o doubt it.
Its irrelevant what other fullbacks have gone for. We have identified the ones we want and we will pay the least we can, the only other options are getting second choice players for less, or not getting them in for pre season while we haggle for a few million and risk not getting them at all.
What you or I think is the right price doesn't mean a thing.
 
No worries :p I should have directed this toward @Dax777. Boggles the mind how much he's worried about player valuations. How do you think we went from 200m to 1.6b Dax?! Club couldn't give two shits about being off by a few million in valuation!
Lol. Paul was being sarcastic with the Nathan Ake comment. Clearly, he doesn't rate Ale. I actually think Ake is a good player. Worth. Somewhere btw 15 -20 million.

In not worried about being off by a few million. I'm worried about the very things that have held us back in the past. Overpaying! When you overpay for a player you coz 2 likely problems, 1 if he doesn't pan out, you are now stuck with a good player you overpaid for who no one else can take off your hands. Bony, Mangala, Adebayor etc. To name a few. But when you buy players at fair value, even when they don't work oit, they are easier to move. I.e Negredo, Garcia, and soon Nolito.

Paying fair value is about so much more than wether you get be cocky and bash United fans for paying excessively on Pogba while you think you got value on Gundogan (as very many of the same folks who don't care about price now, felt somehow compelled to point out all season).

I actually don't give a rat's ads about being proud of or prices. I genuinely believe it's a key ingredient for success. Both in dealings dealingsand in our ability to keep tweaking and get better.

I need us to pay fair price so players who don't succeed can be moved on easily and we can tweak again.

When we pay because we can, we set in motion a process that almost always potentially hurt us. And its why I focus on it. Not out of some grandiose need to feel pride in being a penny pincher. I genuinely think its part of the success matrix.
 
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