Bernardo Silva charged with misconduct by FA

[moomba]

Apparently it's the FA's minimum suspension. An article in the Times during the summer. Both FIFA and UEFA want 10 match bans:

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/fa-told-to-increase-ban-for-racism-lzzgcctvj#

They've got around that in the past. It used to be 4 weeks minimum when Mario got 1 week.

 

[manimanc]

If he used that particular image then yes it probably would be considered a problem.

Somehow I think we both know the answer is no.
What baffles me is why hasn't this offensive, disgusting, provocative, racist image that the makers of these chocolate peanuts been brought to the attention kick it out or Spain's equivalent of kick it out? Why is a cartoon character depicting slavery been used for years upon years and nobody has batted an eyelid?
This fuckin country, full of your gender bending, gender fluid, non binary, they them us everyone, snowflakes are the cause of all this.
Wankers.

 

[ChicagoBlue]

1000% agree with all of this.

Personally I think the entire FA charge has come down because of the way the club has handled this. Had we put out a statement Monday morning with words to the effect of "Bernardo apologises for any offence caused. He's voluntarily going on an education course to better understand why what he tweeted was inappropriate. The club will make no further comment." It probably would've gone away as Pep wouldn't have had to talk about it in a post match presser and the likes of kick it out, the media, etc would've been far more onside with us.

As annoyed as I am at Bernardo and Pep, my real rage is with the way the club have handled this. Their silence and their willingness to let Pep have to answer these questions alone, in his second language, in a completely unprepared fashion, is beyond mental. We're a club who put out a fucking statement when that video of us singing the song about LFC on the plane came out. Yet with something as serious as this tweet we sit on our hands and leave it to Pep. My mind's blown by that.

Your “as annoyed as I am” and your “real rage”?

Perhaps you should see someone about that??

do you feel like you’re a victim in all this? Hell, as a podcaster, this is a godsend to you, right?!!

You sound more like a delicate flower when you make such OTT statements like that! Not to worry, though, as I’m sure it keeps the listeners believing your holier than thou self is in line with all the rapidly changing cultural norms...and any advertiser monies tolling in!

 

[domalino]

Your “as annoyed as I am” and your “real rage”?

Perhaps you should see someone about that??

do you feel like you’re a victim in all this? Hell, as a podcaster, this is a godsend to you, right?!!

You sound more like a delicate flower when you make such OTT statements like that! Not to worry, though, as I’m sure it keeps the listeners believing your holier than thou self is in line with all the rapidly changing cultural norms...and any advertiser monies tolling in!

The podcast has no adverts, they put out the same amount of content with/without Bernardo racism drama, and they probably lose listeners whenever they take a stance on something that divides the audience.

So maybe @BillyShears will say otherwise, but I would imagine it's just a massive pain in the ass to have to talk about something like this.

 

[BigOscar]

I don't support Guardiola or Bernardo in what's gone on the last few weeks. Bernardo's tweet was a stupid joke which he should've known could get him in serious trouble. The fact he didn't speaks volumes about why people like myself and so many others found it ignorant in the first place. As for what Pep said afterwards, that was equally ignorant. The entire line about how it's "just a picture that looks like his friend" is the kind of defence you'd expect to hear at a Donald Trump rally, not from an urbane, well travelled football manager. Granted in the end Pep was probably just trying to defend his player, but it came off as as tone deaf as Bernardo's tweet.

I think I was pretty measured in what I said on the pod. I wanted to say a lot more, as I'd like to say a lot more on here too, but ultimately there's no point. It's clear there's very little appetite from a lot of people to think beyond the most facile and softest readings of this entire episode. It'll eventually blow over like most things in football do. But it hasn't painted the player or his coach in anything other than the most negative of lights IMO. Trying to turn this into the FA or the PL or the media having an agenda against the club is frankly laughable.

If this were happening at Liverpool I can imagine the moral high grounding on here would be next level. I also remember vividly the absolute furore from Blues when Kyle Walker dared make a joke during the title race. He was absolutely pilloried for it from every corner of our support. Odd then that we don't have the standards for racist imagery that we do for jokes about a title race.

Sorry, but Bernardo "should have known it would get him in serious trouble" is absolute bullshit tbh, and you're the one being ignorant in thinking that. You are assuming he grew up in a culture where comparing black people to cartoon characters has been seen as racist for decades, which he hasn't. In Portugal (and most of the world), no one would consider that racist or make a big deal about it, so why should he know that in England we are incredibly sensitive to this sort of thing, due to hundreds of years of using racist caricatures to denigrate other races? Do you think that's something people tell you on your arrival in England? Seems unlikely, the only way you'd find out is if something like this happened.

It's just an unfortunate cultural mishap, that he has surely learnt from (as presumably have a ton of other non-English footballers who are probably equally surprised at how much uproar this has caused). If a British person had tweeted that then I'd fully lay into them as they should know the way that would be received here, but expecting people from other cultures to know it is pretty ridiculous.

Undoubtedly the real problem though has been the response from City and from Pep, that's the real balls up.

 

[Cityfan1977]

"We don't think either is racist. We said that."

So what was the problem if it was not racist ?
Why should anyone have to make a statement and talk about the severity of what Bernardo tweeted. if it was not racist ?

What is your take on the tweet if not racist ?
This case is about was the tweet racist or not
Are we rely talking about here " we know its not racist but there are people out there who may or may not see some racist about it ?

 

[BillyShears]

The podcast has no adverts, they put out the same amount of content with/without Bernardo racism drama, and they probably lose listeners whenever they take a stance on something that divides the audience.

So maybe @BillyShears will say otherwise, but I would imagine it's just a massive pain in the ass to have to talk about something like this.

I'd say we've definitely lost some listeners over this issue, but I'm okay with that. That's life! It's definitely the most difficult thing we've tackled since we started the pod. I almost didn't want to talk about it, and we ignored it initially when Bernardo did the tweet. It was only after Pep spoke post Preston that it became impossible to ignore.

 

[Tbilisi]

What a joke, the pc brigade are killing this country

 

[domalino]

Apparently it's the FA's minimum suspension. An article in the Times during the summer. Both FIFA and UEFA want 10 match bans:

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/fa-told-to-increase-ban-for-racism-lzzgcctvj#

They've got around that in the past. It used to be 4 weeks minimum when Mario got 1 week.

The 6 game minimum, and the UEFA/FIFA 10 game minimum is only for incidents of racial abuse on the pitch. Bernardo's being off the pitch and it not being abuse means those aren't relevant.

Instead it's being treated like Balotelli when he was at Liverpool & Hennessey.

Pep was called a racist,he was probably really hurt by that ,his defence of a guy like bernie from the same thing is totally understandable

I do think Pep getting accused of racism was one of the reasons he went so hard on defending Bernardo's character, but I wish someone had explained to him that people weren't really accusing Bernardo of being racist, just posting a racist/racially insensitive/racially ignorant joke.

When he wasn't defending Bernardo's character as a whole, Pep was pretty perfect in his summation - He didn't mean it, he's sorry if it offended, won't happen again.

 

[ChicagoBlue]

The podcast has no adverts, they put out the same amount of content with/without Bernardo racism drama, and they probably lose listeners whenever they take a stance on something that divides the audience.

So maybe @BillyShears will say otherwise, but I would imagine it's just a massive pain in the ass to have to talk about something like this.

Too bad he isn’t following that here!

It’s ironic that he reserves his “real rage” for the club not getting embroiled in this matter....a personal issue between two players, neither of whom took Offence, nor did a black teammate who has been a spokesperson on racism in football!

what next, he gets done for handing his mate a banana in the food line at lunch?!

cant stand when someone takes Offence on behalf of others. Makes a nonsense out of causing offence!!