Bernardo Silva

[Gobshiight]

So he's basically said, "I'll sign a new contract if you lower the asking price for me next year"

The release clause is 55m euros, which is probably more than we'd get if he just had 12 months left

He'll stay an extra year if nobody comes for him

I don't see the downsides, it's only neutral / good

 

[Nicholas van Whatsisface]

What’s the difference between selling him normally next year and this new contract he’s getting with this supposed RC? The club is just wasting precious wage space for one year if he’s gonna leave next season. You don’t see Madrid do these kind of stuff.

Have you ever heard of a club offer a contract to a player that’s a negative for the club itself?
We’re basically handing Bernardo on a platter to Barca and best believe they will have the funds to get him next year.

Mate - you’ve had a nightmare with this post.

Firstly - no, you don’t get clubs offering contracts that are negative for them. Particularly those as well run as ours, who've been sitting at the top of the Deloitte Money League - ahead of every other Club in world football - for two years running, precisely because we don’t make bone-headed deals like this one!

So, following your own logic on this one, maybe - just maybe - you should go with the assumption this contract isn’t negative for the Club.

Rather than overreacting hysterically to a random tweet from a fan who, with respect, doesn’t have the indie track on the detail on any of our contract negotiations.

If we’re giving him significantly more money (which he deserves, frankly) then you can guarantee it will be on terms that work out more favourably for us.

Otherwise we’d just keep him on the same contract, and save ourselves the financial hit.

It baffles me the lack of faith some fans have in the people running our club.

Both on and off the pitch, we are the best run club in the World right now.

Why would we undermine that by agreeing to a deal a five year old wouldn’t sign?

 

[wolviedinho]

I think the club realised it would be an absolute disaster if Bernardo left on top of mahrez, gundogan etc. This seems like a compromise between all parties for one more year.

Bernie is our very own Harry Kane.


One more year khaldoon then I am definitely gone-:)

 

[CC1]

What’s the difference between selling him normally next year and this new contract he’s getting with this supposed RC? The club is just wasting precious wage space for one year if he’s gonna leave next season. You don’t see Madrid do these kind of stuff.

Have you ever heard of a club offer a contract to a player that’s a negative for the club itself?
We’re basically handing Bernardo on a platter to Barca and best believe they will have the funds to get him next year.

Where do you get your info from on the minutiae of the contract?

 

[Centurions]

Mate - you’ve had a nightmare with this post.

Firstly - no, you don’t get clubs offering contracts that are negative for them. Particularly those as well run as ours, who've been sitting at the top of the Deloitte Money League - ahead of every other Club in world football - for two years running, precisely because we don’t make bone-headed deals like this one!

So, following your own logic on this one, maybe - just maybe - you should go with the assumption this contract isn’t negative for the Club.

Rather than overreacting hysterically to a random tweet from a fan who, with respect, doesn’t have the indie track on the detail on any of our contract negotiations.

If we’re giving him significantly more money (which he deserves, frankly) then you can guarantee it will be on terms that work out more favourably for us.

Otherwise we’d just keep him on the same contract, and save ourselves the financial hit.

It baffles me the lack of faith some fans have in the people running our club.

Both on and off the pitch, we are the best run club in the World right now.

Why would we undermine that by agreeing to a deal a five year old wouldn’t sign?

Don't talk nonsense, you'll be expecting people to think for themselves next rather than let Twitter do it for them.

 

[Silva2021]

It is what it is, I think he deserves the new contract and the pay rise, plus a bit more control on his future.

£50 million for a 30 year old with high wages and no sell on value, probably wanting a 4-5 year deal.

It’s no guarantee someone will pay it.

I do wonder if the £50 million stays the next or is reduced £30 million for example (if I was him I would have looked for something like this)

And if the clause is active during the transfer window or by a certain date (I.e end of July) if I was club I would have wanted this.

We only get snippets as fans, but our board are very business savvy. So whilst I feel our position was weak, we probably have got a deal we feel works for us better then no contract extension.

So our position is better then it was.

 

[Coatigan]

Bernado is a great player and has made the difference for us in many many games, but people telling me he is loyal are talking out of their poop shutes if Barcelona had the money he'd have gone ages ago.

Barcelona don't have the money yet they are getting Cancelo for fuck all.

Bernardo could have kicked up a fuss. Barcelona endlessly teased for a fuss. Given the circumstances and the context, he was pretty loyal. Particularly on the pitch. And that most of all is what he is being rewarded for.

 

[Coatigan]

Did you read before you posted this.

The difference is that if we don't give him the RC now, he has 1yr left on his contract next season. How much do you think we will get then, a bag of crisps and an IOU?

So, what we have done is extend his contract which not only rewards him for his efforts so far, gives him the RC next year which for all we know may never be triggered but also protects us and guarantees us that fee.

What is negative about keeping one of the best midfielders in the world at the club.

We could easily ask, and probably get, more than the rumoured release clause is. Wouldn't be fair to him imo. We let Mahrez leave for a fair price. Raheem, Jesus, Zinchenko too. Laporte for fuck all, and Cancelo for below market value. Why should Bernardo be the one not to get the same benefit of the club's trust.

The rumoured clause value is pretty low. But also pretty fair, to him, and if there is one player that deserves to go with our blessing should anyone meet it, it is Bernardo.

 

[jimharri]

What’s the difference between selling him normally next year and this new contract he’s getting with this supposed RC? The club is just wasting precious wage space for one year if he’s gonna leave next season. You don’t see Madrid do these kind of stuff.

Have you ever heard of a club offer a contract to a player that’s a negative for the club itself?
We’re basically handing Bernardo on a platter to Barca and best believe they will have the funds to get him next year.

 

[Stoned Rose]

People moaning about his release clause , Bernie earned it . Stop moaning about it and not be a one dimensional dick head.
All parties involved are happy , we got one season to look for his replacement while he gets his wish after a long loyal service .

One Dimensional Dickhead would be a magnificent username for a few on here, mate.

 

[The Scarlet Pimpernel]

We've had his best years and he's still at his peak, 47m for a 30 yr old is fair enough and is reward for not throwing his toys around. This is great news, whoever we sign won't be as good as Bernie and we have another year to plan a replacement.

Agreed…..but I disagree that he would have ever thrown his toys out - would have just done what Gundo did….play his contract out

 

[decmancity]

We could easily ask, and probably get, more than the rumoured release clause is. Wouldn't be fair to him imo. We let Mahrez leave for a fair price. Raheem, Jesus, Zinchenko too. Laporte for fuck all, and Cancelo for below market value. Why should Bernardo be the one not to get the same benefit of the club's trust.

The rumoured clause value is pretty low. But also pretty fair, to him, and if there is one player that deserves to go with our blessing should anyone meet it, it is Bernardo.

We have been asking for more money for years. No one has put their hand up and paid it. So no, we won't get anymore for Bernardo who will be yet another year older next summer.

Laporte and Mahrez again, had no other fucker interested. So they have been sold for what they are worth.

 

[The Scarlet Pimpernel]

People don't want to hear it, but if this is a bit rubbish, it's because we've let the midfield question get out of hand over several years. Bernado has been the glue, the sellotape, the bandage and the splint. Agent knows he has us over a barrel. He's also sorting out Cancelo's move, and is the go to guy for Saudi Arabia. We need Bernie, we need those deals, and we still need another player, and he may have some influence one way or another wherever we end up looking.

No idea why you’re talking about - let the midfield get out of hand ? Have us over a barrel? ……sounds like crazy flapping talk

He’s been great, but we’ve had so many great players and still do - many more emerging and many irons in fires….relax - is he stays for a year or two then great. If he moves then we move on….trust the club and Pep - they’re on it.

 

[Coatigan]

We have been asking for more money for years. No one has put their hand up and paid it. So no, we won't get anymore for Bernardo who will be yet another year older next summer.

Laporte and Mahrez again, had no other fucker interested. So they have been sold for what they are worth.

That's a really dumbed-down oversimplification. And it serves no point, other than supposedly ending a conversation, that you actually obviously want to have, hence you jump in. I see it a lot, and find it quite weird.

There is plenty of time in the window, and had the club wanted to hold out for more, they could have. They are happy to let the players leave for the money offered. It is not 'the best they can do', that's equally as demeaning to the club as the posts you have an issue with where people argue it is low.

We got the same or more than Bernardo's rumoured release clause for other players in their final year, Raheem, Jesus and Sane. We could easily ask for 50m next year even with a year left, and whoever wanted him would still get a good deal. Or even say 40, but without the extra outlay on his increased wages.

The point I am making is, they are making a choice based on more than pure numbers. They aren't doing it because anyone has them by the balls, they are doing it because they want to. And I am saying it is a good thing. Sometimes the protective dismissal is deserved, I get that. This one, really no need to get so defensive.

All this is at the end of the day entirely hypothetical, because there may not even be a release clause. Or an extension, to be fair.

edit. by 'more' I mean more than the rumoured release clause, not what we asked last year or this. And no, we sure as hell wouldn't let him go for a packet of crisps, even without an extension, that's just fucking silly.

 

[decmancity]

That's a really dumbed-down oversimplification. And it serves no point, other than supposedly ending a conversation, that you actually obviously want to have, hence you jump in. I see it a lot, and find it quite weird.

There is plenty of time in the window, and had the club wanted to hold out for more, they could have. They are happy to let the players leave for the money offered. It is not 'the best they can do', that's equally as demeaning to the club as the posts you have an issue with where people argue it is low.

We got the same or more than Bernardo's rumoured release clause for other players in their final year, Raheem, Jesus and Sane. We could easily ask for 50m next year even with a year left, and whoever wanted him would still get a good deal. Or even say 40, but without the extra outlay on his increased wages.

The point I am making is, they are making a choice based on more than pure numbers. They aren't doing it because anyone has them by the balls, they are doing it because they want to. And I am saying it is a good thing. Sometimes the protective dismissal is deserved, I get that. This one, really no need to get so defensive.

All this is at the end of the day entirely hypothetical, because there may not even be a release clause. Or an extension, to be fair.

edit. by 'more' I mean more than the rumoured release clause, not what we asked last year or this. And no, we sure as hell wouldn't let him go for a packet of crisps, even without an extension, that's just fucking silly.

I think you have got the wrong end of the stick here.

We made it very clear all summer what we wanted for Bernardo and by all accounts it was a ridiculously low fee for someone with his talents and even still we had no serious offers.

You say "We could easily ask, and probably get, more than the rumoured release clause is.", based on what exactly. Next summer Bernardo will be one year older with one year on his contract but all of a sudden there will be a busy auction to drive up the price, I highly doubt it.

You can believe that holding out will get what you want, what likely happens is what we see every season at the rags and Chelsea etc. They end up with bloated squads with players they refuse to cut losses on and instead spend the next season carrying them around and their huge wages.

Raheem, Jesus and Sane are completely different to Bernardo, not even remotely comparable in terms of situation.

We can ask for 50m next season, probably not get it and then what we may have is a disgruntled Bernardo with one year on his contract and maybe this time he isn't going to be the happy go lucky lad he is and run his bollocks off for his final season but he goes nuclear and he gets Mendes to force a cut price move and then its bad all around.

I have said for several years I couldn't care less what the club sell players for, no one on here is privvy to the meetings yet we see every summer the same posts along the lines of "Txiki aint got a clue", "Txiki bending over again" and so on. I just try and defend that and actually think in the real world but some must be living in a Football Manager simulation where you can just buy and sell with zero regards for anything else.

The extension clearly exists and the clause makes a ton of sense. No reason to doubt it.

 

[Silva2021]

Given next summer he is 30, I thought I would see players brought at that age and transfer fees.

If we sold for £47 million, 3 players over 30 will have cost more.

Pjanic - Cost around £52 million, however he was part of a deal where player went the other way and it could be argued both fees were inflated to help with FFP. So I would take this one with pinch of salt.

Casemiro - £60 million Great player at Madrid and came to United as the second coming. Already murmurs that perhaps the fans and media hyped him up to much and isn’t actually as good as made out. Was suspended for 8 games and somehow made PFA team of the year over Rodri. Bit beyond the point but United do deals other teams would not.

Ronaldo - Over £100 million, world class at the time no matter what anyone says and an absolute freak in terms of fitness levels etc. Obviously massive ego issues, but you’re buying a player that elevates the profile of the team and as such you are paying premium for the marketing.

So one dodgy deal, one that looks like bad value and one which has positive commercial implications adding to the outlay.

So £47 million, high wages and a 4/5 year deal, it is not a guarantee anyone will pay it.

I put earlier and I will again that I hope the clause has to be activated by a certain time, ideally before pre season starts, so that we can move on before the season starts. Barca know the price and have the best part of the year to sort it if they want him.

 

[Haaland94]

Given next summer he is 30, I thought I would see players brought at that age and transfer fees.

If we sold for £47 million, 3 players over 30 will have cost more.

Pjanic - Cost around £52 million, however he was part of a deal where player went the other way and it could be argued both fees were inflated to help with FFP. So I would take this one with pinch of salt.

Casemiro - £60 million Great player at Madrid and came to United as the second coming. Already murmurs that perhaps the fans and media hyped him up to much and isn’t actually as good as made out. Was suspended for 8 games and somehow made PFA team of the year over Rodri. Bit beyond the point but United do deals other teams would not.

Ronaldo - Over £100 million, world class at the time no matter what anyone says and an absolute freak in terms of fitness levels etc. Obviously massive ego issues, but you’re buying a player that elevates the profile of the team and as such you are paying premium for the marketing.

So one dodgy deal, one that looks like bad value and one which has positive commercial implications adding to the outlay.

So £47 million, high wages and a 4/5 year deal, it is not a guarantee anyone will pay it.

I put earlier and I will again that I hope the clause has to be activated by a certain time, ideally before pre season starts, so that we can move on before the season starts. Barca know the price and have the best part of the year to sort it if they want him.

Harry Kane - 104m quid (with add-ons).

 

[Coatigan]

I think you have got the wrong end of the stick here.

We made it very clear all summer what we wanted for Bernardo and by all accounts it was a ridiculously low fee for someone with his talents and even still we had no serious offers.

You say "We could easily ask, and probably get, more than the rumoured release clause is.", based on what exactly. Next summer Bernardo will be one year older with one year on his contract but all of a sudden there will be a busy auction to drive up the price, I highly doubt it.

You can believe that holding out will get what you want, what likely happens is what we see every season at the rags and Chelsea etc. They end up with bloated squads with players they refuse to cut losses on and instead spend the next season carrying them around and their huge wages.

Raheem, Jesus and Sane are completely different to Bernardo, not even remotely comparable in terms of situation.

We can ask for 50m next season, probably not get it and then what we may have is a disgruntled Bernardo with one year on his contract and maybe this time he isn't going to be the happy go lucky lad he is and run his bollocks off for his final season but he goes nuclear and he gets Mendes to force a cut price move and then its bad all around.

I have said for several years I couldn't care less what the club sell players for, no one on here is privvy to the meetings yet we see every summer the same posts along the lines of "Txiki aint got a clue", "Txiki bending over again" and so on. I just try and defend that and actually think in the real world but some must be living in a Football Manager simulation where you can just buy and sell with zero regards for anything else.

The extension clearly exists and the clause makes a ton of sense. No reason to doubt

There are loads of examples of players in their final years going for big money. Including our own. And the reported 80m rumoured for this year is hardly relevant to that. Along with reports we supposedly said he he was not for sale at all. Which I don't believe but is the other side of the same comment.

The only comparison I am making here is that the rumoured release clause isn't greater than what could be his price with a year left next year. And it is certainly greater than the price of a packet of crisps, so much for your real world outlook. I've given you examples. If someone doesn't pay it, they also don't pay the release clause, so it is a pointless claim.

All that is a positive, as the club are imo doing right by the player.

 

[mexico1970]

Barcelona don't have the money yet they are getting Cancelo for fuck all.

Bernardo could have kicked up a fuss. Barcelona endlessly teased for a fuss. Given the circumstances and the context, he was pretty loyal. Particularly on the pitch. And that most of all is what he is being rewarded for.

Bernardo isn't loyal, he has constantly wanted out and that isn't a slur on his ability as a player.

We don't all own a Bernardo bedspread and pillow set ;)

 

[Manchester_lalala]

Another year of the silky hard bastard.