Bernardo Silva

[The Scarlet Pimpernel]

We've had his best years and he's still at his peak, 47m for a 30 yr old is fair enough and is reward for not throwing his toys around. This is great news, whoever we sign won't be as good as Bernie and we have another year to plan a replacement.

Agreed…..but I disagree that he would have ever thrown his toys out - would have just done what Gundo did….play his contract out

 

[decmancity]

We could easily ask, and probably get, more than the rumoured release clause is. Wouldn't be fair to him imo. We let Mahrez leave for a fair price. Raheem, Jesus, Zinchenko too. Laporte for fuck all, and Cancelo for below market value. Why should Bernardo be the one not to get the same benefit of the club's trust.

The rumoured clause value is pretty low. But also pretty fair, to him, and if there is one player that deserves to go with our blessing should anyone meet it, it is Bernardo.

We have been asking for more money for years. No one has put their hand up and paid it. So no, we won't get anymore for Bernardo who will be yet another year older next summer.

Laporte and Mahrez again, had no other fucker interested. So they have been sold for what they are worth.

 

[The Scarlet Pimpernel]

People don't want to hear it, but if this is a bit rubbish, it's because we've let the midfield question get out of hand over several years. Bernado has been the glue, the sellotape, the bandage and the splint. Agent knows he has us over a barrel. He's also sorting out Cancelo's move, and is the go to guy for Saudi Arabia. We need Bernie, we need those deals, and we still need another player, and he may have some influence one way or another wherever we end up looking.

No idea why you’re talking about - let the midfield get out of hand ? Have us over a barrel? ……sounds like crazy flapping talk

He’s been great, but we’ve had so many great players and still do - many more emerging and many irons in fires….relax - is he stays for a year or two then great. If he moves then we move on….trust the club and Pep - they’re on it.

 

[Coatigan]

We have been asking for more money for years. No one has put their hand up and paid it. So no, we won't get anymore for Bernardo who will be yet another year older next summer.

Laporte and Mahrez again, had no other fucker interested. So they have been sold for what they are worth.

That's a really dumbed-down oversimplification. And it serves no point, other than supposedly ending a conversation, that you actually obviously want to have, hence you jump in. I see it a lot, and find it quite weird.

There is plenty of time in the window, and had the club wanted to hold out for more, they could have. They are happy to let the players leave for the money offered. It is not 'the best they can do', that's equally as demeaning to the club as the posts you have an issue with where people argue it is low.

We got the same or more than Bernardo's rumoured release clause for other players in their final year, Raheem, Jesus and Sane. We could easily ask for 50m next year even with a year left, and whoever wanted him would still get a good deal. Or even say 40, but without the extra outlay on his increased wages.

The point I am making is, they are making a choice based on more than pure numbers. They aren't doing it because anyone has them by the balls, they are doing it because they want to. And I am saying it is a good thing. Sometimes the protective dismissal is deserved, I get that. This one, really no need to get so defensive.

All this is at the end of the day entirely hypothetical, because there may not even be a release clause. Or an extension, to be fair.

edit. by 'more' I mean more than the rumoured release clause, not what we asked last year or this. And no, we sure as hell wouldn't let him go for a packet of crisps, even without an extension, that's just fucking silly.

 

[decmancity]

That's a really dumbed-down oversimplification. And it serves no point, other than supposedly ending a conversation, that you actually obviously want to have, hence you jump in. I see it a lot, and find it quite weird.

There is plenty of time in the window, and had the club wanted to hold out for more, they could have. They are happy to let the players leave for the money offered. It is not 'the best they can do', that's equally as demeaning to the club as the posts you have an issue with where people argue it is low.

We got the same or more than Bernardo's rumoured release clause for other players in their final year, Raheem, Jesus and Sane. We could easily ask for 50m next year even with a year left, and whoever wanted him would still get a good deal. Or even say 40, but without the extra outlay on his increased wages.

The point I am making is, they are making a choice based on more than pure numbers. They aren't doing it because anyone has them by the balls, they are doing it because they want to. And I am saying it is a good thing. Sometimes the protective dismissal is deserved, I get that. This one, really no need to get so defensive.

All this is at the end of the day entirely hypothetical, because there may not even be a release clause. Or an extension, to be fair.

edit. by 'more' I mean more than the rumoured release clause, not what we asked last year or this. And no, we sure as hell wouldn't let him go for a packet of crisps, even without an extension, that's just fucking silly.

I think you have got the wrong end of the stick here.

We made it very clear all summer what we wanted for Bernardo and by all accounts it was a ridiculously low fee for someone with his talents and even still we had no serious offers.

You say "We could easily ask, and probably get, more than the rumoured release clause is.", based on what exactly. Next summer Bernardo will be one year older with one year on his contract but all of a sudden there will be a busy auction to drive up the price, I highly doubt it.

You can believe that holding out will get what you want, what likely happens is what we see every season at the rags and Chelsea etc. They end up with bloated squads with players they refuse to cut losses on and instead spend the next season carrying them around and their huge wages.

Raheem, Jesus and Sane are completely different to Bernardo, not even remotely comparable in terms of situation.

We can ask for 50m next season, probably not get it and then what we may have is a disgruntled Bernardo with one year on his contract and maybe this time he isn't going to be the happy go lucky lad he is and run his bollocks off for his final season but he goes nuclear and he gets Mendes to force a cut price move and then its bad all around.

I have said for several years I couldn't care less what the club sell players for, no one on here is privvy to the meetings yet we see every summer the same posts along the lines of "Txiki aint got a clue", "Txiki bending over again" and so on. I just try and defend that and actually think in the real world but some must be living in a Football Manager simulation where you can just buy and sell with zero regards for anything else.

The extension clearly exists and the clause makes a ton of sense. No reason to doubt it.

 

[Silva2021]

Given next summer he is 30, I thought I would see players brought at that age and transfer fees.

If we sold for £47 million, 3 players over 30 will have cost more.

Pjanic - Cost around £52 million, however he was part of a deal where player went the other way and it could be argued both fees were inflated to help with FFP. So I would take this one with pinch of salt.

Casemiro - £60 million Great player at Madrid and came to United as the second coming. Already murmurs that perhaps the fans and media hyped him up to much and isn’t actually as good as made out. Was suspended for 8 games and somehow made PFA team of the year over Rodri. Bit beyond the point but United do deals other teams would not.

Ronaldo - Over £100 million, world class at the time no matter what anyone says and an absolute freak in terms of fitness levels etc. Obviously massive ego issues, but you’re buying a player that elevates the profile of the team and as such you are paying premium for the marketing.

So one dodgy deal, one that looks like bad value and one which has positive commercial implications adding to the outlay.

So £47 million, high wages and a 4/5 year deal, it is not a guarantee anyone will pay it.

I put earlier and I will again that I hope the clause has to be activated by a certain time, ideally before pre season starts, so that we can move on before the season starts. Barca know the price and have the best part of the year to sort it if they want him.

 

[Haaland94]

Given next summer he is 30, I thought I would see players brought at that age and transfer fees.

If we sold for £47 million, 3 players over 30 will have cost more.

Pjanic - Cost around £52 million, however he was part of a deal where player went the other way and it could be argued both fees were inflated to help with FFP. So I would take this one with pinch of salt.

Casemiro - £60 million Great player at Madrid and came to United as the second coming. Already murmurs that perhaps the fans and media hyped him up to much and isn’t actually as good as made out. Was suspended for 8 games and somehow made PFA team of the year over Rodri. Bit beyond the point but United do deals other teams would not.

Ronaldo - Over £100 million, world class at the time no matter what anyone says and an absolute freak in terms of fitness levels etc. Obviously massive ego issues, but you’re buying a player that elevates the profile of the team and as such you are paying premium for the marketing.

So one dodgy deal, one that looks like bad value and one which has positive commercial implications adding to the outlay.

So £47 million, high wages and a 4/5 year deal, it is not a guarantee anyone will pay it.

I put earlier and I will again that I hope the clause has to be activated by a certain time, ideally before pre season starts, so that we can move on before the season starts. Barca know the price and have the best part of the year to sort it if they want him.

Harry Kane - 104m quid (with add-ons).

 

[Coatigan]

I think you have got the wrong end of the stick here.

We made it very clear all summer what we wanted for Bernardo and by all accounts it was a ridiculously low fee for someone with his talents and even still we had no serious offers.

You say "We could easily ask, and probably get, more than the rumoured release clause is.", based on what exactly. Next summer Bernardo will be one year older with one year on his contract but all of a sudden there will be a busy auction to drive up the price, I highly doubt it.

You can believe that holding out will get what you want, what likely happens is what we see every season at the rags and Chelsea etc. They end up with bloated squads with players they refuse to cut losses on and instead spend the next season carrying them around and their huge wages.

Raheem, Jesus and Sane are completely different to Bernardo, not even remotely comparable in terms of situation.

We can ask for 50m next season, probably not get it and then what we may have is a disgruntled Bernardo with one year on his contract and maybe this time he isn't going to be the happy go lucky lad he is and run his bollocks off for his final season but he goes nuclear and he gets Mendes to force a cut price move and then its bad all around.

I have said for several years I couldn't care less what the club sell players for, no one on here is privvy to the meetings yet we see every summer the same posts along the lines of "Txiki aint got a clue", "Txiki bending over again" and so on. I just try and defend that and actually think in the real world but some must be living in a Football Manager simulation where you can just buy and sell with zero regards for anything else.

The extension clearly exists and the clause makes a ton of sense. No reason to doubt

There are loads of examples of players in their final years going for big money. Including our own. And the reported 80m rumoured for this year is hardly relevant to that. Along with reports we supposedly said he he was not for sale at all. Which I don't believe but is the other side of the same comment.

The only comparison I am making here is that the rumoured release clause isn't greater than what could be his price with a year left next year. And it is certainly greater than the price of a packet of crisps, so much for your real world outlook. I've given you examples. If someone doesn't pay it, they also don't pay the release clause, so it is a pointless claim.

All that is a positive, as the club are imo doing right by the player.

 

[mexico1970]

Barcelona don't have the money yet they are getting Cancelo for fuck all.

Bernardo could have kicked up a fuss. Barcelona endlessly teased for a fuss. Given the circumstances and the context, he was pretty loyal. Particularly on the pitch. And that most of all is what he is being rewarded for.

Bernardo isn't loyal, he has constantly wanted out and that isn't a slur on his ability as a player.

We don't all own a Bernardo bedspread and pillow set ;)

 

[Manchester_lalala]

Another year of the silky hard bastard.