Birmingham bankrupt

franksinatra said:
Great stuff, so much ignorance in one post.
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I have worked 'on the tools', and in management in both private, and public sector I've also been TUPE'd between them numerous times. I can tell you where it is easier, and it isn't in the private sector, most of the managers that moved at the same time as myself were 'found out' and moved on or demoted fairly quickly.

My wife has two part time jobs, one for the local council, and another with a private organisation. She has just had her second knee replacement, and guess what, the council will pay her 6 months full pay followed by 6 months half pay if she requires it. The private company will pay her the minimum they can get away with.

Her council pension is still earnings related, whereas her private pension from the other employer has just lost more than a third of its value in the last year. I myself was lucky enough to be on a final salary scheme, took my pension after an accident at work, invested it all wisely, and have retired many years ago even though I'm not yet 60. So you could say that I have more than a little experience of good management, bad management, and crap outsourcing from letting accountants run things.
 
Vic said:
No, it's not what you stated. You called it "an old chestnut" that people were paid more in the private sector. And your last statement is an insult to hardworking officers trying to keep the show on the road with staff shortages and agency staff. (Oh, wait, just like the crap nurses left in the NHS who accept no responsibility). Please don't dig any deeper.
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I'm offended on your behalf....LOL

We were talking management, and basically the difference between those who can talk a good job, and those who can actually do a good job. What have the nurses got to do with it, somewhat of a strawman argument methinks for the sake of a poor point !
 
MouldensChippy said:
I have worked 'on the tools', and in management in both private, and public sector I've also been TUPE'd between them numerous times. I can tell you where it is easier, and it isn't in the private sector, most of the managers that moved at the same time as myself were 'found out' and moved on or demoted fairly quickly.

My wife has two part time jobs, one for the local council, and another with a private organisation. She has just had her second knee replacement, and guess what, the council will pay her 6 months full pay followed by 6 months half pay if she requires it. The private company will pay her the minimum they can get away with.

Her council pension is still earnings related, whereas her private pension from the other employer has just lost more than a third of its value in the last year. I myself was lucky enough to be on a final salary scheme, took my pension after an accident at work, invested it all wisely, and have retired many years ago even though I'm not yet 60. So you could say that I have more than a little experience of good management, bad management, and crap outsourcing from letting accountants run things.
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Are you moaning about your wife having good terms and conditions after a period of long service?

What a strange bloke.
 
TonyColemansbagofapples said:
Privatisation of the post office has been a complete disaster. The service now is appalling to non existent. I should know as I've been there 38 years. It's not a service any more. That's all I'm permitted to say.
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Yeah but it's kind of dying really. Everything is online. I mean I only get takeout menu's. Not sure it needs to be nationalised. Plenty of courier competition.

Could ve wrong though
 
Mr Kobayashi said:
Are you moaning about your wife having good terms and conditions after a period of long service?

What a strange bloke.
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Do you not comprehend so well, or do you just like a perceived pile on?

If you read it you will see that far from complaining I'm showing a difference between conditions working for a public employer, and a private organisation. Length of service is no different !
 
MouldensChippy said:
Do you not comprehend so well, or do you just like a perceived pile on?

If you read it you will see that far from complaining I'm showing a difference between conditions working for a public employer, and a private organisation. Length of service is no different !
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So you would rather everyone got the minimum?
 
Privatised companies!

One lump sum of investment

Rest of that company/industry's life has large sums taken out as dividends

Dividends going in the pocket of the wealthy, who don't need it

Scrap the dividends (or only pay out when targets met, eg water companies)

Invest the dividends in staff to make the services better

More people use the service as it is worthwhile

The new people employed invest their earnings in the economy, thus economic growth

Reduce (as opposed to increase) the retirement age

People can enjoy their retirement before the grim reaper catches up with them

Younger people get jobs and invest their earnings
 
hilts said:
Yeah but it's kind of dying really. Everything is online. I mean I only get takeout menu's. Not sure it needs to be nationalised. Plenty of courier competition.

Could ve wrong though
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Believe it or not, the post office delivers parcels the same as courier companies. They also have had the infrastructure in place for around 400 years. The dividends are crippling the company. Anyway, hopefully I'll escape soon. I'm a FOC.
With luck that's my final word, I'm off to the joke thread
 
TonyColemansbagofapples said:
Believe it or not, the post office delivers parcels the same as courier companies. They also have had the infrastructure in place for around 400 years. The dividends are crippling the company. Anyway, hopefully I'll escape soon. I'm a FOC.
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Don't the bosses want to hive parcels off from letters then renege on the Universal Service Obligation for letters and try and have a variable rate so like a letter from London to Brighton will be a 10p stamp a letter from London to Orkney require the sale of one organ to raise funds
 
TonyColemansbagofapples said:
Believe it or not, the post office delivers parcels the same as courier companies. They also have had the infrastructure in place for around 400 years. The dividends are crippling the company. Anyway, hopefully I'll escape soon. I'm a FOC.
With luck that's my final word, I'm off to the joke thread
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That’s where most of the privatised companies fall short as they have no interest in serving the public, it’s all about lining their own and shareholders pockets.
 
BobKowalski said:
You may believe in them, but my sense is that you are culturally hostile to pragmatic solutions that could improve things.

Equally, I don’t know you and this is just my opinion based on your posts which may not be a true reflection.
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Public services should always be run by government with the sole intention of providing the very best services possible.

We should all welcome that and be willing to pay for it.
 
Birmingham council is just the tip of the iceberg and has made big news because they are a huge City. This is happening across the country and it’s only a matter of time. We can all look at individuals running the finances and those that spend them but the reality is that they’ve all been cut to the bone from central financing and when you had other issues, including Brexit, then it’s a recipe for disaster.

It‘s not one factor, it’s a multitude that has led to where the country is as a whole but the one factor common in all this is a succession of governments who have chosen to take money away from local government and feed into some unknown black hole.
 
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