Bloody Sunday: Soldier F faces murder charges

As far as i can see the GFA is being adhered to...by and large...so im content.

Everyone guilty of crimes should be held accountable and prosecuted...and that process is still on going.
To bring about the peace we have today, and the various cease fires, many who had been found guilty and imprisoned were released on licence. They werent absolved or found not guilty....they were released on licence.A price the country was prepared to pay for peace.

It was not agreed that people got away with murder, or could get away with murder or not be investigated for past crimes.

Obviously I am no statesman or politician but my own personal thoughts are that if the trial goes ahead and soldier F is found guilty and incarcerated then under the same terms of the GFA he should be immediately released under license like the other participants.Isn't this incumbent on any peace process by not favouring one side over the other.I genuinely thought all this had been put to bed and everyone had moved on in peace harmony and contrition but obviously that's not the case.A very contentious issue.
 
If that is the case, well and good.
These are the details that people are trying to get to.
Do you think it’s about the foot soldier.
The Crown is on trial.
If you believe that that is not fair then you don’t understand why this has been pursued for decades and what the importance of the issue is.

always the default mode of the establishment - circle the wagons and deny everything - thats why this has taken so long - same with the Hillsborough match commander trial and why there is still no action on Orgreave
 
Here is the transcript from the Robin E Horsfall
Video.
An Angry Mob and a Gravy Train.

I challenge anyone to face down thousands of angry people carrying clubs, bottles and bricks and describe them as ‘unarmed, protestors’. If a person holds a large stone with the intent of throwing it they are armed, if a person carries a bottle full of petrol they are armed, if a crowd corners an individual and attacks him or her they are dangerous to life. The question of whether they are carrying guns is irrelevant, - a point ignored by the BBC, Sky and other media sources when reporting the finding of yet another Bloody Sunday inquiry.

One hundred and forty-five million pounds of taxpayers money over forty-seven years to obtain the prosecution on one junior rank, one soldier among many who was on the streets facing a baying mob of rioters, not as the media would have it, ‘peaceful, unarmed protestors’.

So who benefits from this decision to prosecute? Certainly not those hoping for justice, because if justice was what they wanted then they would have to prosecute the politicians, the police, the march organisers, the military commanders, the IRA the UDA and those who attacked the security forces. They can’t do that because almost all of those in the aforementioned list have died in the intervening period. So they are left with one squaddie.

So who benefits? Not those who were seeking compensation because in spite of the attempt to prosecute as many soldiers as possible, there has never been enough evidence to prosecute. So the millions in compensation that might have been expected by the families of the dead has been reduced dramatically.

So who benefits? £145,000,000 goes a long way where law firms are concerned. Win or lose they come out on top. It’s not a complicated scam, find an aggrieved family, give them high expectations and then drag the case out over as many years as possible. By the end of the Saville inquiry in 2010 fourteen lawyers had earned more than one million pounds in fees. In the intervening years I would imagine that the number has doubled. The feigned shock and horror displayed when it was discovered that lawyers were raking it in with fake cases from Iraq is simply a more recent version of the same scam.

It is interesting that the latest investigation into Bloody Sunday has resulted in only one prosecution. I am tempted to think that this individual is a bone of appeasement thrown to the wolves to prevent violence from breaking out again. The recent parcel bombs sent to different addresses in the UK were sent as a warning to the authorities by the IRA. Not a group ‘claiming to be the IRA, but the IRA. They knew the secret code word that identified them to the media and the police. The law is only useful to criminals when it goes their way when it doesn’t they will return to the bombs and bullets of yester-year.

There is no guarantee that there will be a guilty verdict at the end of this case. The case will drag out over the next few years, the defendant will get older and may well pass away. It will be interesting to discover why Soldier F has been singled out.

The prosecution of ‘Soldier F’ whichever way it goes will not be the end of the matter. The trough is now being filled with more cash to investigate the ‘Ballymurphy Massacre’ and when that is over there will be another and another case to drag up from history. The driving force is easy money. It’s akin to picking a scab from a wound that can never heal

If the UK is to draw a line under the decades of violence in Northern Ireland then the first step must be to cut off the funding for these spurious cases. It isn’t possible to get justice for those who died in Northern Ireland between 1969 and today which is why the Good Friday Agreement was accepted and killers were released from prison. It isn’t possible to get meaningful convictions - and it isn’t possible to become a compensation millionaire - unless of course you are a lawyer.

I call on the Government to cut the funds that feed this gravy train, I call on the media to stop spouting Republican propaganda and I call on all the peoples of Northern Ireland to put the past away – none of us can get our dead friends back. Keep on looking to the future and continue to build a prosperous Northern Ireland where the next generation can have peace.
 
always the default mode of the establishment - circle the wagons and deny everything - thats why this has taken so long - same with the Hillsborough match commander trial and why there is still no action on Orgreave

Actually I'd say we are quite unusual in these things still coming to court years later after campaigns. Most countries wouldn't do that - it's indicative of a strength, not a weakness.
 
Here is the transcript from the Robin E Horsfall
Video.
An Angry Mob and a Gravy Train.

I challenge anyone to face down thousands of angry people carrying clubs, bottles and bricks and describe them as ‘unarmed, protestors’. If a person holds a large stone with the intent of throwing it they are armed, if a person carries a bottle full of petrol they are armed, if a crowd corners an individual and attacks him or her they are dangerous to life. The question of whether they are carrying guns is irrelevant, - a point ignored by the BBC, Sky and other media sources when reporting the finding of yet another Bloody Sunday inquiry.

One hundred and forty-five million pounds of taxpayers money over forty-seven years to obtain the prosecution on one junior rank, one soldier among many who was on the streets facing a baying mob of rioters, not as the media would have it, ‘peaceful, unarmed protestors’.

So who benefits from this decision to prosecute? Certainly not those hoping for justice, because if justice was what they wanted then they would have to prosecute the politicians, the police, the march organisers, the military commanders, the IRA the UDA and those who attacked the security forces. They can’t do that because almost all of those in the aforementioned list have died in the intervening period. So they are left with one squaddie.

So who benefits? Not those who were seeking compensation because in spite of the attempt to prosecute as many soldiers as possible, there has never been enough evidence to prosecute. So the millions in compensation that might have been expected by the families of the dead has been reduced dramatically.

So who benefits? £145,000,000 goes a long way where law firms are concerned. Win or lose they come out on top. It’s not a complicated scam, find an aggrieved family, give them high expectations and then drag the case out over as many years as possible. By the end of the Saville inquiry in 2010 fourteen lawyers had earned more than one million pounds in fees. In the intervening years I would imagine that the number has doubled. The feigned shock and horror displayed when it was discovered that lawyers were raking it in with fake cases from Iraq is simply a more recent version of the same scam.

It is interesting that the latest investigation into Bloody Sunday has resulted in only one prosecution. I am tempted to think that this individual is a bone of appeasement thrown to the wolves to prevent violence from breaking out again. The recent parcel bombs sent to different addresses in the UK were sent as a warning to the authorities by the IRA. Not a group ‘claiming to be the IRA, but the IRA. They knew the secret code word that identified them to the media and the police. The law is only useful to criminals when it goes their way when it doesn’t they will return to the bombs and bullets of yester-year.

There is no guarantee that there will be a guilty verdict at the end of this case. The case will drag out over the next few years, the defendant will get older and may well pass away. It will be interesting to discover why Soldier F has been singled out.

The prosecution of ‘Soldier F’ whichever way it goes will not be the end of the matter. The trough is now being filled with more cash to investigate the ‘Ballymurphy Massacre’ and when that is over there will be another and another case to drag up from history. The driving force is easy money. It’s akin to picking a scab from a wound that can never heal

If the UK is to draw a line under the decades of violence in Northern Ireland then the first step must be to cut off the funding for these spurious cases. It isn’t possible to get justice for those who died in Northern Ireland between 1969 and today which is why the Good Friday Agreement was accepted and killers were released from prison. It isn’t possible to get meaningful convictions - and it isn’t possible to become a compensation millionaire - unless of course you are a lawyer.

I call on the Government to cut the funds that feed this gravy train, I call on the media to stop spouting Republican propaganda and I call on all the peoples of Northern Ireland to put the past away – none of us can get our dead friends back. Keep on looking to the future and continue to build a prosperous Northern Ireland where the next generation can have peace.
You can see why he is an inspirational speaker.
I think it is very eloquently put and I would agree with the overall sentiment of the piece.
I don’t know what good will come of this trial, but I do think there will be no closure without it.

If you read the transcripts of each individual shooting from the Saville Report and the findings on each, he finds on all but two that the soldiers were not under threat and did not shoot in panic.

Lance Corporal F in particular, is involved in 3 or 4 of the killings and was not deemed to have shot in fear or panic. 2 killings were people attending wounded on the ground.

3 other killings were shot fired at a rubble barricade where it was deemed there was no threat at all.

It was carnage.

I do agree with the piece above that with tribunals of this magnitude and the possible charges and trials resulting from them, the only winners are the legal teams.

However I can understand the difference between this and other atrocities where it is pretty clear to all that terrorists or paramilitaries of one sort or another, were to blame.
Everyone knows and accepts this.

I don’t know but suspect that for residents of Derry this is as much about The British armed forces, the establishment and government accepting the blame.

Personally I would accept that this has been done, certainly by the government but perhaps the fact nobody in the military has been held accountable, that issue isn’t closed.

I’m not a victim so how can I understand their mentality.
But look at the Omagh bombing for example.
It happened at the other end of the Troubles in 1998 and was attributed to a splinter group of the IRA who didn’t agree to the GFA.
Families are still pursuing this through the courts.
Legal action against The former NI Secretary of State Theresa Villiers was due to be heard in the high court in Belfast this year.

It doesn’t get the same publicity as Bloody Sunday but individuals affected will do whatever it takes for closure.

Can we blame them?
It doesn’t end for them regardless of whatever progress is made for the greater good.

I hope all victims of the troubles find peace and I hope the present generation never have to witness a time like it again.
 
An absolute stain and disgrace on our country
Like hillsborough
Covered up by a conservative government (not a surprise)

To shoot unarmed civilians and people tending to others (in the fAce) is as bad as it gets
No excuse
More of these soldiers should be on trial
 
An absolute stain and disgrace on our country
Like hillsborough
Covered up by a conservative government (not a surprise)

To shoot unarmed civilians and people tending to others (in the fAce) is as bad as it gets
No excuse
More of these soldiers should be on trial

that will ( incorrectly ) get you a ban.

Sadly no debate is possible on these events and the pending court case should not be happening regardless of the law.
 
that will ( incorrectly ) get you a ban.

Sadly no debate is possible on these events and the pending court case should not be happening regardless of the law.

He posted it at 2.45 this afternoon so highly doubtful its getting a ban or deleted and more likely everyone has just fucking ignored it.

The law you say? Hows about along with this soldier we bring those to justice responsible for hundreds of other murders in NI?

Either that or the GFA and moving on from the troubles applies to all regardless?
 

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