The blue phantom
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Well you need to get the enquiry reopened then if you have some new evidence on these 13 people which were murdered.
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Bloody Sunday: Soldier F faces murder charges
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Well you need to get the enquiry reopened then if you have some new evidence on these 13 people which were murdered.
It’s astonishing how the “us and them” feeling runs so deep.
People cannot be objective due to their politics.
AlexWilliamsGloves
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Do you know what isn't such a great craic?
Hearing from your daughter, who, at 12 years old, was laughing and giggling with her mates next to the bin
at McDonald's in Warrington, 15 minutes before it exploded, ending the lives of a young lad and a baby.
Dya know what isnt great craic?
Having to console 2 friends whose dad was blown up in a car bomb about half a mile from our houses by the IRA, because he was Catholic ex-RUC officer.
What else ya got?...ive a few more if ya want?
Man_City_Loyal
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If the soldier is getting investigated then they should reopen cases on a number of people linked to murders who were part of the IRA
It’s astonishing how the “us and them” feeling runs so deep.
People cannot be objective due to their politics.
Nothing to do with it, having served in the province both overt and covert I always believe we needed to be whiter than white and do things properly, lessons were learned from Bloody Sunday, training techniques were changed dramatically. If nothing else it was a great recruiting tool for the IRA. It’s not about them and us it’s about letting the past be, terrorists on both sides committed shocking atrocities that us veterans have had to learn to let go under the terms of the GFA, this we did but now this is all being dragged up again, there will be no winners.
Nothing to do with it, having served in the province both overt and covert I always believe we needed to be whiter than white and do things properly, lessons were learned from Bloody Sunday, training techniques were changed dramatically. If nothing else it was a great recruiting tool for the IRA. It’s not about them and us it’s about letting the past be, terrorists on both sides committed shocking atrocities that us veterans have had to learn to let go under the terms of the GFA, this we did but now this is all being dragged up again, there will be no winners.
Good post but I still disagree about the soldier firing at the civilians.
Good post but I still disagree about the soldier firing at the civilians.
I agree he should never have fired at them.
mancity2012_eamo
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Not directed at you Bob.Think I’ve just been called out as a lazy fuck. Fair point I guess :)
mancity2012_eamo
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Nothing to do with it, having served in the province both overt and covert I always believe we needed to be whiter than white and do things properly, lessons were learned from Bloody Sunday, training techniques were changed dramatically. If nothing else it was a great recruiting tool for the IRA. It’s not about them and us it’s about letting the past be, terrorists on both sides committed shocking atrocities that us veterans have had to learn to let go under the terms of the GFA, this we did but now this is all being dragged up again, there will be no winners.
I actually understand that argument and whether this particular soldier should take the fall (as you see it) or not is very much dependent on the evidence that has been collected.
I, like Bob has said numerous times, will reserve personal judgement until the facts are known.
However I see one fundamental difference between the arguments being put forward for the relatives of Bloody Sunday and other tragedies.
I feel The Crown is on trial. And the reason is that unlike other events where innocent civilians have been murdered or soldiers or defence forces have been attacked and killed in the line of doing their duty. Nobody calls their innocence in to question.
The civil rights marchers that were mown down that day have been seen as anything from an angry mob baying for blood to gun and bomb carrying IRA members.
Their relatives firstly fought to clear their names and then to seek justice by bringing the crown to court.
Every life lost is a tragedy but having the names of your dead relatives dragged through the mud cannot help the healing.
Even in this thread, the evidence of 12 years of a tribunal is being trampled on by some, still tarnishing the names of those that fell that day on nothing more than their own anecdotal experience.
Look closer to home and the Hillsborough trial and what the families had to do to get to the truth.
I see more sympathy and compassion in here for the Scousers than I do for NI citizens.
AlexWilliamsGloves
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Different case...
https://www.belfastlive.co.uk/news/...bcm6J_GGYJ6wgeeVs20P_YfkPKChNGr6khc1_9kyS6rDE
"A soldier is to be prosecuted for the murder of a teenager shot dead during the Troubles.
The Public Prosecution Service said the man, identified only as Soldier B, will be prosecuted over the 1972 death of Daniel Hegarty.
He will also be pursued over a charge of wounding with intent in respect of a second youth.
Daniel, 15, was shot and killed by a member of an Army patrol on duty in the Creggan area of Derry on July 31, 1972, during what was known as ‘Operation Motorman’.
He died after being shot twice in the head by Soldier B. His cousin Christopher Hegarty, then aged 17, was also shot and injured in the incident.
In 2016, the Public Prosecution Service said it had decided not to prosecute soldier B. However, in 2018 the High Court quashed that decision saying it was based on “irredeemably flawed” reasoning.
An inquest in 2011 found that Daniel Hegarty posed no risk when he was shot twice in the head close to his home in Creggan.
The Director of Public Prosecutions for Northern Ireland, Stephen Herron, met with members of the Hegarty family to inform them of the decision at a private meeting in Derry today.
Speaking afterwards, he said: “Following the ruling of the Divisional Court last year I conducted a review of this case.
“I have given careful consideration to all of the available evidence. This has included material obtained in the course of the initial investigation; by a later investigation carried out by the Historical Enquiries Team; material generated by Inquest proceedings and a number of expert forensic reports, the most recent of which was provided after the Court ruling in 2018.
“I have concluded that the evidence which can be presented at court is sufficient to provide a reasonable prospect of conviction and that the Evidential Test for Prosecution is met.
“As with all cases, I have also carefully considered whether the public interest requires prosecution through the courts. Particular consideration was given to Soldier B’s ill health, regarding which an updated medical report was obtained. In line with our Code for Prosecutors, I have concluded, given the seriousness of the charges, that the Public Interest Test for Prosecution is also met.
“I have therefore taken the decision to prosecute an individual identified as Soldier B for the offence of murder in relation to the death of Daniel Hegarty and for the wounding of Christopher Hegarty.
“This decision has been reached following an objective and impartial application of the Test for Prosecution which was conducted in accordance with the Code for Prosecutors and with the benefit of advice from Senior Counsel.”
https://www.belfastlive.co.uk/news/...bcm6J_GGYJ6wgeeVs20P_YfkPKChNGr6khc1_9kyS6rDE
"A soldier is to be prosecuted for the murder of a teenager shot dead during the Troubles.
The Public Prosecution Service said the man, identified only as Soldier B, will be prosecuted over the 1972 death of Daniel Hegarty.
He will also be pursued over a charge of wounding with intent in respect of a second youth.
Daniel, 15, was shot and killed by a member of an Army patrol on duty in the Creggan area of Derry on July 31, 1972, during what was known as ‘Operation Motorman’.
He died after being shot twice in the head by Soldier B. His cousin Christopher Hegarty, then aged 17, was also shot and injured in the incident.
In 2016, the Public Prosecution Service said it had decided not to prosecute soldier B. However, in 2018 the High Court quashed that decision saying it was based on “irredeemably flawed” reasoning.
An inquest in 2011 found that Daniel Hegarty posed no risk when he was shot twice in the head close to his home in Creggan.
The Director of Public Prosecutions for Northern Ireland, Stephen Herron, met with members of the Hegarty family to inform them of the decision at a private meeting in Derry today.
Speaking afterwards, he said: “Following the ruling of the Divisional Court last year I conducted a review of this case.
“I have given careful consideration to all of the available evidence. This has included material obtained in the course of the initial investigation; by a later investigation carried out by the Historical Enquiries Team; material generated by Inquest proceedings and a number of expert forensic reports, the most recent of which was provided after the Court ruling in 2018.
“I have concluded that the evidence which can be presented at court is sufficient to provide a reasonable prospect of conviction and that the Evidential Test for Prosecution is met.
“As with all cases, I have also carefully considered whether the public interest requires prosecution through the courts. Particular consideration was given to Soldier B’s ill health, regarding which an updated medical report was obtained. In line with our Code for Prosecutors, I have concluded, given the seriousness of the charges, that the Public Interest Test for Prosecution is also met.
“I have therefore taken the decision to prosecute an individual identified as Soldier B for the offence of murder in relation to the death of Daniel Hegarty and for the wounding of Christopher Hegarty.
“This decision has been reached following an objective and impartial application of the Test for Prosecution which was conducted in accordance with the Code for Prosecutors and with the benefit of advice from Senior Counsel.”