Blue Moon Rising TV

Ducado said:
Like I said I can understand the op being a bit pissed off as the error of omission is a bit disingenuous
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Error of omission? You mean that they don't call themselves BMRTV brought to you by Shotglass media?

That would have been nice, at least it would have been honest, but more importantly we could have factored in the fact they were a commercial set up, with all the commercial priorities that brings, in the same way that ownership of any media does.

It also raises the question of whether commercial organisations have any business getting involved in fan channels. Aren't fan channels by their very definition supposed to be by fans for fans, free of the likes of News International, their papers and Sky. Free of Talk Sport and their need to to pamper to the likes of the rags? Is this a step too far, the monetisation of football banter as you leave the stadium, father and son, mums and dads, the slightly pissed singing "Oh Kevin De Bruyne"?

BMRTV need to get their clicks so as time goes on the temptation will be to find their clowns and the outrageous (if you want to see a theatre of the absurd look no further than Arsenal Fan TV) the pressure will be on, because nothing gets those clicks like a car crash character, then it stops being about fans and more about the weird and the whacky, commercial pressures can do that.
 
twosips said:
Having been into their 'studio' etc, in their defence it is literally a two man job creatively. They do have some help funding as we know, but they literally do everything themselves in terms of content and ideas. I cant speak for how Adam's answered your questions, but it is genuinely a tiny setup, and there isnt some big huge team organising it all for them.

Both the fellas ive met who do it are really, really nice lads.
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I'm sure they're lovely blokes but this doesn't change the fact that they intentionally misled people, and lied when asked a direct question.

They don't have funding help, they are lock stock owned by a company that sponsors this content for various clubs.
 
The perfect fumble said:
Error of omission? You mean that they don't call themselves BMRTV brought to you by Shotglass media?

That would have been nice, at least it would have been honest, but more importantly we could have factored in the fact they were a commercial set up, with all the commercial priorities that brings, in the same way that ownership of any media does.

It also raises the question of whether commercial organisations have any business getting involved in fan channels. Aren't fan channels by their very definition supposed to be by fans for fans, free of the likes of News International, their papers and Sky. Free of Talk Sport and their need to to pamper to the likes of the rags? Is this a step too far, the monetisation of football banter as you leave the stadium, father and son, mums and dads, the slightly pissed singing "Oh Kevin De Bruyne"?

BMRTV need to get their clicks so as time goes on the temptation will be to find their clowns and the outrageous (if you want to see a theatre of the absurd look no further than Arsenal Fan TV) the pressure will be on, because nothing gets those clicks like a car crash character, then it stops being about fans and more about the weird and the whacky, commercial pressures can do that.
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Oh get off your high horse. We have very little of any media promoting our interests so to have our own fan channel projecting the voice of the fans is to be applauded whoever is providing the finance.

It's quite clear that those presenting the channel are died in the wool blues who are promoting our club and providing content about the club and providing a mouthpiece for the fans. Frankly I couldn't give two sh*ts that it happens to be a commercial organisation funding it.

There's nothing stopping a fan with a bit of his own capital behind them setting up their own competitive channel.

What you're asking for is some 'normal' working class fans to invest their own money in equipment, take no salaries, earn no money off ads to run their own fan channel for the benefit of the City fans. Frankly speaking you're living in some sort of parallel universe from most normal people.

What difference does it make whether the funding to run the channel comes from a commercial business or one or a few fans with quite a bit of their own money to throw around and plenty of time on their hands?

All I care about is the content and frankly it is excellent.
 
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Damocles said:
I'm sure they're lovely blokes but this doesn't change the fact that they intentionally misled people, and lied when asked a direct question.

They don't have funding help, they are lock stock owned by a company that sponsors this content for various clubs.
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Fair enough. Though its pretty understandable why they tried to skirt round the issue. They're only human and it'd not be unreasonable for them to be a bit terrified of that link with FullTimeDevils being made aware. The youtube could lose popularity and as a result, they lose their jobs potentially. What young person in the mid 20s in a job they really really like wouldn't be on edge about that prospect? I'd be proper anxious. 99% of people would. Their job is based around popularity. It's balanced on a knife edge, as these things always are. They're lovely guys, probably shitting themselves at the smallest of things that could see their world crumble down. They're not harming anyone...just making a slightly naive, but ultimately harmless, attempt at hiding that link.

That's not really a big deal is it in the grand scheme of things. I don't think they're worthy of any ire really. I get it, and I understand your point on principle, but as a person who understands the fickle nature of jobs in the entertainment industry really, really well, I kinda see why this could happen. It doesn't make the bad people and as a result i think its worth overlooking. They genuinely don't deserve any bad karma or owt in my opinion as they really do put a fucking lot into this.
 
everythingchangesbutblue said:
This is a very strange thread, seemingly repeatedly bumped by the op for no reason. It serves its purpose and so what if some company makes some money off it. Most posters in the thread have no problem with it but the op seems to think he's exposing Watergate.
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Kinda agree with this. It's all a bit storm in a teacup for me. Is anyone really surprised or even arsed deep down?
 
Damocles said:
I'm sure they're lovely blokes but this doesn't change the fact that they intentionally misled people, and lied when asked a direct question.

They don't have funding help, they are lock stock owned by a company that sponsors this content for various clubs.
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It's worth re-visiting their PR blurb....

Iain Macintosh, November 5In early 2013, FullTimeDEVILS launched. To be precise, it didn’t ‘launch’ (like a big budget TV show would launch); a video was posted on YouTube as two United fans sat in a windowless room waiting with bated breath for a reaction. A reaction that didn’t come, because at 0 views, 0 subscribers and 0 Twitter followers your feedback is somewhat limited. Fast forward to November 2015 and I’m writing this whilst on Snapchat following The Football Republic XI’s debut, a team comprised of faces from nine original fan football channels from Shotglass Media and beyond. And I’m proud, not because I’m sitting here in a suit counting money, but because I’m part of something which is building a community and bringing fans together. FullTimeDEVILS happened because a Manchester United fan working in digital at FremantleMedia (Shotglass Media’s parent company) craved more videos about his team. He wanted independent, opinionated, fans-eye content that was available in the other 6.9 days of week. And so the channel was born. In essence it was a video fanzine, using the latest digital platforms to connect fans globally and to give them a voice. All run by two Manchester United fans lucky enough to be housed by a production company who also happen to make successful TV shows. We weren’t trying to replace professional punditry or quality journalism; we were just adding extra opinion to the mix, voices that weren’t always heard, and creating content that we thought other fans would like.Everyone wasn’t going to like everything we did, that was partly the point (football debate has long been a post-work pub staple).Fancams weren’t a major part of the plan until Andy Tate gave us his raw, passionate and razor sharp “Biggest fool in Manchester” broadside. We were stunned. Digitally-savvy fans repurposed the video into (increasingly bizarre) Vines that were viewed millions of times. Other football fans liked them and passed them on and the fancam as viral was born….accidentally. Are we now at a point where fan outrage can be orchestrated or faked for gain? Undoubtedly, if you’re that way inclined. I’m not; all fan channel producers have a responsibility to maintain authenticity even, if not especially, at the expense of short term gain. Our cameras are still rolling to give fans a platform on match days, but we’re exercising quality control and we’re not posting rants for rants’ sake. Equating commercial involvement with a lack of authenticity is disingenuous: blogs, podcasts, Twitter accounts and more all exist as networks with commercial entities behind them. Yes, some of us are experienced media professionals (I don’t wear a suit but I have produced football content for 16 years), and we have actors and comedians in our midst. We’ve also hired an estate agent, an ex-soldier, journalists and graduates. What we all have in common is that first and foremost we’re fans of our respective clubs.We’re now running seven channels of various sizes and stages of development. Who’s paying for this content? Brands, not fans. This weekend, thanks to Skype we are bringing a Canadian MUFC fan over to watch his team at Old Trafford for the first time ever. For the PSV game, we’re re-uniting a couple who’ve been apart for a year. And it’s not costing them a cent.The digital sport landscape is changing at a gathering pace and whether one appreciates the direction of our content or not, the fan channel movement means that fans now have a greater opportunity to be heard.

Regards,

Neil Smythe,

Head of Sport, Shotglass Media


Forget the erroneous argument they're making, that's been covered, what strikes you is that it's all about Manchester United, but of course, why shouldn't it be? From their perspective it's the jewel in the crown, like any commercial organisation they're proud of their most popular brand. Clearly no one whispered in Neil Smythe's ear that banging on about Utd might antagonise fans of the other channels and boasting about Andy Tate's rant giving birth to these channels might not be such a good idea. But of course no one did whisper in his ear, because it would never cross their mind, because they're in the game of creating “innovative digital experiences” for fans! Where fans, any fans, are just a target group, put a couple of genuine fans at the front end of it and no one will be any the wiser

Take a look at Neil Smythes Twitter account...

https://twitter.com/NeilSmythe

Football is such fun! and so young and fresh, and so now!...



Let's make 100,000 by Christmas!! You're right Neil, gotta get those clicks!

Truth is, for all this fresh faced zippy now image (Walter must be the oldest person ever featured on these channels) their view of fans is we're fodder, supplying content so they can make money, they're not sensitive to the loyalties and rivalries, no one aware of such things would bang on about Utd in their PR blurb without realising how with every sentence they were burying themselves.

When I starting digging I never thought I'd find this, it is astonishing
 
At least they didn't put any adv before the £20's plenty video!



Anyway, good to know! I think most blues didn't know about this TV production company being behind fan channels
 
Blue Mooner said:
Oh get off your high horse. We have very little of any media promoting our interests so to have our own fan channel projecting the voice of the fans is to be applauded whoever is providing the finance.

It's quite clear that those presenting the channel are died in the wool blues who are promoting our club and providing content about the club and providing a mouthpiece for the fans. Frankly I couldn't give two sh*ts that it happens to be a commercial organisation funding it.

There's nothing stopping a fan with a bit of his own capital behind them setting up their own competitive channel.

What you're asking for is some 'normal' working class fans to invest their own money in equipment, take no salaries, earn no money off ads to run their own fan channel for the benefit of the City fans. Frankly speaking you're living in some sort of parallel universe from most normal people.

What difference does it make whether the funding to run the channel comes from a commercial business or one or a few fans with quite a bit of their own money to throw around and plenty of time on their hands?

All I care about is the content and frankly it is excellent.
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Okay, but where as you seem to think holding your opinion is fine, my opinion is high horse, meaning, I assume, it's all a storm in a tea cup and no one gives a shit, well from the pm's I'm getting some people do.

If you don't like people holding a counter view that's your problem, but if all you've got to say is "who gives a fuck", for the sake of brevity just say it and be done.
 
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