Mad Eyed Screamer
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Well i had the Carpets in my vote so hoping.....
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Blue Moon Top 100 Bands Artists - Full List of Artists (pg 287)
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FogBlueInSanFran
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What do you think New Order is completely derivative of? Kraftwerk in bits, sure. But who ever made the bass the lead and relegated the guitar to background until Joy Division? No one I can think of. No one popular at any rate.I'm a child of the 60s 70s, none of these newer bands making the top 10 do anything for me. They all sound completely derivative of what went before.
In fact the only song Ive heard by any band since the 70s that pricked my ears up was Paranoid Android. I thought that wasnt derivative, I thought it was original with a fresh new sound. Excellent song.
Apologies if your favourite band is Oasis, New Order, Stone Roses etc but thats how I feel.
All pop music is derivative to a degree. It's about incremental change, having the guts to change, hitting on topics uncovered, doing novel things with instrumentation (or tunings -- cf. Sonic Youth). To me if I can instantly recognize an artist in the first several seconds of a song because they have a "sound" that's unique and "theirs", that's a tremendous accomplishment that renders prior influence as just that -- influence, not derivation.
hilts
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That’s a big statement:-)I like a few too, I just think they are the most overrated band in the history of popular music, and by a country mile. It's not fucking close.
Mad Eyed Screamer
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I am sure Ian McCulloch (top left) will be satisfied the Echo & The Bunnymen made the top 20
FogBlueInSanFran
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It's not. No one is close. How many critics' or fan polls pick OK Computer or Kid A as the best record ever made, let alone made in the 90s, let alone merely one of the best records made in the 90s? Dozens.That’s a big statement:-)
Meantime, I see Radiohead music as Pink Floyd without hooks, an awful terrible sallow singer, faux depressed (while they run off to the bank with their millions), with no sense of humo(u)r, drenched in excessive irritating atmospheric echoes, obsessed with its own "coolness", soul-less and heart-less metal machine music.
As such, it's perfect for pasty-faced awkward teenagers, and hence, enormously popular.
Small doses of Radiohead can be okay -- a tune or two on In Rainbows, the bridge on Paranoid Android -- but their only redeeming accomplishment was a credible pickup cover of "Ceremony." Whoop-de-doo. My high school friends did one in their band The Lunkheads (though their punk cover of "White Christmas" was even better).
Bill Walker
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I'm beginning to feel that Foggy has taken over this thread and he's right about everything. :)
FogBlueInSanFran
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Often I am. But I will also admit when I'm wrong.I'm beginning to feel that Foggy has taken over this thread and he's right about everything. :)
I'm not wrong about Radiohead being overrated though :)
andyhinch
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Aerosmith ? Shakes head and backs slowly out of the room ;-)The answer is E -- 53% of our top 100 are in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.
This assumes our top 6 are Bowie, Beatles, Stones and Pink Floyd (all in) and The Smiths and Oasis (not in).
My ten favo(u)rite artists IN the RnR HoF but who DIDN'T make our list:
Roxy Music (who I voted for)
Aerosmith
Beastie Boys
Public Enemy
The Cars
Peter Gabriel (solo)
Steve Miller
Tom Petty & The Heartbreakers
The Police
The Pretenders
I should point out something. IMO the one most deserving person in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame above all others as an individual who is not there is Brian Eno. While he's in as a member of Roxy Music, he isn't on his own. Between playing, composing and producing, Eno has been involved in a staggering 3,700 albums over a 50 year career, and has worked with roughly three dozen members of the HoF (either their bands or solo). He coined the term ambient, and popularized the genre. He produced some of the best-loved, most influential records ever made. He's a no-brainer and it chaps me that far, far lesser contributors to rock music have made it and he hasn't.
Sorry to harp on about the HoF -- it doesn't mean anything to me; it's just a repository for the widely-acknowledged "great artists" so that's why I'm bringing it up.
That's a decent list to miss out on and couldn't agree with you more regarding Brian Eno in fact I mistakenly thought he was in was in the Hall of Fame be it Rock & Roll or Music heraldry in general.The answer is E -- 53% of our top 100 are in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.
This assumes our top 6 are Bowie, Beatles, Stones and Pink Floyd (all in) and The Smiths and Oasis (not in).
My ten favo(u)rite artists IN the RnR HoF but who DIDN'T make our list:
Roxy Music (who I voted for)
Aerosmith
Beastie Boys
Public Enemy
The Cars
Peter Gabriel (solo)
Steve Miller
Tom Petty & The Heartbreakers
The Police
The Pretenders
I should point out something. IMO the one most deserving person in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame above all others as an individual who is not there is Brian Eno. While he's in as a member of Roxy Music, he isn't on his own. Between playing, composing and producing, Eno has been involved in a staggering 3,700 albums over a 50 year career, and has worked with roughly three dozen members of the HoF (either their bands or solo). He coined the term ambient, and popularized the genre. He produced some of the best-loved, most influential records ever made. He's a no-brainer and it chaps me that far, far lesser contributors to rock music have made it and he hasn't.
Sorry to harp on about the HoF -- it doesn't mean anything to me; it's just a repository for the widely-acknowledged "great artists" so that's why I'm bringing it up.
I agree with Steve Miller , The Cars , Aerosmith , Roxy Music TPATH , The Police , The Pretenders and the others are take it or leave it with me
I just took it as a given its dumfounding to say the least and has to be corrected given some of the famers and the list on offer still to be conducted.
I haven't looked for a while at all the artists who have and who haven' to date made it into the R& R Hall of Fame but iit defies all logic when you look at contribution as an artist be it on solo projects ( if their is such a thing anyway ) , influence , production , engineering , instrumentality , arrangement etc
How The Carpenters for example didn't make the Top 100 is bewildering for me despite being a product of Burt Bacharach who I would also have thought would have made it.
Karen Carpenter the most close to perfect pitch and quality of sound for a vocalist you could have and we have had to date IMO.
You could make love to that voice time and again (LOL)
FogBlueInSanFran
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EARLY Aerosmith. EARLY. Toys in the Attic, stuff like that. I got a kick out of their hook up with Run DMC; after that, not as fond of what they did. Definitely had two careers and two sounds.Aerosmith ? Shakes head and backs slowly out of the room ;-)