They’re both self-indulgent, but only one is cool. But also let me know the next time Fagen sings about dragons or “Old King Cole”. :)Steely Dan, a good 'best of' band. Funny how prog gets called self indulgent yet SD are 'cool'....
In terms of popular music they are as important as both and a few others. I will take my advice from some of the greatest rock, pop and jazz musicians of the last 75 years who have lauded Becker and Fagen as geniuses and put them up there with the very best. That will do for me !I take offence to them being compared to Mozart and Shakespeare never mind the glorious blues.
In the nicest possible way mate thats bollocks. Mozart and Shakespeare work has lasted centuries. The only contemporary artists that will still be remembered in 300 years are possibly the Beatles. Steely Dan not so much. Kudos that you like them so much but comparing them to two of the greatest cultural icons in history is just a little ott.In terms of popular music they are as important as both and a few others. I will take my advice from some of the greatest rock, pop and jazz musicians of the last 75 years who have lauded Becker and Fagen as geniuses and put them up there with the very best. That will do for me !
Excellent post.For anyone who's looking at Steely Dan and wondering where to start, I think these songs will give you good intro to them:
Peg, Black Friday, My Old School, FM, Rikki Don't Lose That Number, Reeling In The Years, Do It Again and Haitian Divorce - some you'll have heard before. They really have done some absolutely top drawer songs. It's very difficult to pin down a handful! Their ability to mix jazz and rock with great lyrics and really catchy hooks is amazing.
Something to think about a song like Peg was recorded in 76/77 or so. Listen to pop songs 20 years (1957) before and how 'simple' they are. Musically they are simple, the lyrics are simple and the subject be a love song in some form. The production won't be particularly good either. Now listen to (say) Peg - the musicianship is on another level, not to mention the production. This isn't to say that in the 1950s musicians didn't have the same level of musical ability - they clearly did, but pop music was simple. It was for kids. It really highlights the transformation that happens in the 1960s. Music goes from 'pop', simple and easy to listen to, to something which is far, far more sophisticated. It's also worth bearing in mind that when Peg was made you'd have had punk, disco, heavy metal, 'classic' rock, funk and the likes of ABBA in the charts around the same time. I Feel Love was about to be released and within a couple of years you get the birth of hip hop!
I think that's what I find amazing about that era - listen to music 10 years before The Beatles and 10 years after and it's like you go back 100 years and go forward 100 years. Imagine a song from 2001 sounding incredibly old fashioned!
Also, try listening to Donald Fagen's "Nightfly" album which has some crackers on there as well. I re-discovered this album a few years ago and it gets played every now and again.
Doubt whether any of the 19 to come will meet unanimous approvalWowzers... Looks like Steely Dan more divisive on here than Morrisey .... Who would have thunk it?
I don't even think you can narrow a list down much for these guys. That's why they were so high on my ranking. I could do a top ten songs of theirs from just two of their records. If I had to pick one song, I think it would be "Charlie Freak" from Pretzel Logic. But "Dr. Wu", "Dirty Work" and "Black Cow" are all up there too. And someone/anyone could come up with an entirely different list and it would be hard to argue. They really were remarkable.For anyone who's looking at Steely Dan and wondering where to start, I think these songs will give you good intro to them:
Peg, Black Friday, My Old School, FM, Rikki Don't Lose That Number, Reeling In The Years, Do It Again and Haitian Divorce - some you'll have heard before. They really have done some absolutely top drawer songs. It's very difficult to pin down a handful! Their ability to mix jazz and rock with great lyrics and really catchy hooks is amazing.
Something to think about a song like Peg was recorded in 76/77 or so. Listen to pop songs 20 years (1957) before and how 'simple' they are. Musically they are simple, the lyrics are simple and the subject be a love song in some form. The production won't be particularly good either. Now listen to (say) Peg - the musicianship is on another level, not to mention the production. This isn't to say that in the 1950s musicians didn't have the same level of musical ability - they clearly did, but pop music was simple. It was for kids. It really highlights the transformation that happens in the 1960s. Music goes from 'pop', simple and easy to listen to, to something which is far, far more sophisticated. It's also worth bearing in mind that when Peg was made you'd have had punk, disco, heavy metal, 'classic' rock, funk and the likes of ABBA in the charts around the same time. I Feel Love was about to be released and within a couple of years you get the birth of hip hop!
I think that's what I find amazing about that era - listen to music 10 years before The Beatles and 10 years after and it's like you go back 100 years and go forward 100 years. Imagine a song from 2001 sounding incredibly old fashioned!
Also, try listening to Donald Fagen's "Nightfly" album which has some crackers on there as well. I re-discovered this album a few years ago and it gets played every now and again.
Evanescence if there’s any justice in the world :-) failing that Rush and Genesis.So who else is everybody expecting to be in the top 20?
Feel free to not bother shouting out the obvious few!