Thanks DD, that kind of advice is so valuable, without this thread I would have probably gone steaming in there and been dissapointed. I might still go as its free and looked great, but now I can fish relaxed and take whatever comes, rather than be frustrated by the lack of certain species. I could blank anyway, which is quite likely as I havnt really fished a "proper" river yet, but blanks are for learning from I always say. As for your advice on the Severn, I did some research recently and Shrewsbury Town Fishery has some cracking looking stretches at Monkmoor and the Quarry Park in town plus lots more, they have a decent website. You can buy a day ticket online for just £7 too. I might drive down there to take a look soon with the view of going next year when I hopefully allow myself more time, its about 40/60mins to get there and its not a bad run.my tip is, whatever you do, don’t try to lose your barbel virginity on The Dee. There are hardly any. You need to learn the ropes on a river with some in, as you don’t learn without getting bites. If you don’t mind travelling The Severn is ideal for your purposes. Otherwise The Dane has a lot more than The Dee.