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Got quite a few anglers on here so thought I'd start a thread to chat about it. Beginners guide first:

Beginners Guide

Fishing is one of those "easy to get started, difficult to master" pursuits that many people do over a lifetime. It's currently one of the most popular hobbies in the country with over 100,000 people getting out at least once a month and the number seems to be growing (up 9.8% year on year, in fact).

There's no really good or bad age to start fishing. I've been doing it since I was a toddler though plenty of extremely skilled anglers started well into their 40s and one at my local fishing club started in retirement.

Types

There's three types of fishing - coarse, game and sea fishing. I mostly coarse fish so will let others fill in the other two types and I think it's fair to say that coarse is the most common.

The purpose of most coarse fishing is to create a "swim" where you attract fish towards your hook until they take your bait and you catch them. Then you stick them back and do it again. As a pleasure angler, this is basically all there is to it and with about 30 minutes of training and some very cheap kit, anybody can go down to their local canal and achieve this.

Cost

Fishing can be extremely expensive at the higher ends but getting started has very little startup costs. There's some mandatory yearly fees, which are quite reasonable, then it is about buying tackle. Tackle is a bit like a toolbox in that nobody goes into B&Q and just drops several grand on every tool that they need - they build them up over a lifetime and often they are passed down through generations.

I reckon to get started from absolutely nothing, you need £150. This is mainly a one off outlay, to actually go fishing costs extremely little. A few quid for bait unless you're a bit more advanced.

Where

I'm a great believer that everybody should start off by whip fishing on a canal. It's cheap, it's simple, you've a good chance of catching and pretty much everything you need to learn about how to catch fish can be learnt on the canal. Here is a website that will tell you your local canal and which fishing club might look after it.

There's two administrative costs you need to pay in fishing - a rod licence and a day ticket. A rod licence can be obtained online for £30 a year, which you can buy from this website. Yes it's illegal to fish in England without one and yes, people actually check regularly. Day tickets are how much you pay to fish on the water for that day and are paid to the person who "owns" that water. Mostly these are organisations who do maintenance and upkeep on the area - on the canal it is usually local fishing clubs. The Bridgewater Canal for example has a ton of fishing clubs that own different stretches of the water and they tend to keep "their bit" tidy from litter, cut back some weeds where need be and that sort of thing. One thing you'll find as you move into fishing is that anglers are generally extremely bothered about keeping lakes, rivers, canals and other waters as pristine as possible so they can be enjoyed by all.

You can find the local fishing club and their prices on the same website linked earlier for canals. If you're going a few times it is usually a good idea to join as a yearly membership and save a bit of cash. They're very reasonably priced in my experience - £30-50 or so per year.

What

If you're going whip fishing on the canal, which I personally recommend and seemingly so do most other people in terms of getting started, you'll need the following items:
  • An elasticated Whip - you can buy ones into the hundreds here but don't. Get a 2m-4m one for £15-20. You don't need a 10m Whip on the canal. Whips are a type of pole fishing so you don't have a reel.
  • A chair - probably the most important purchase you'll make as a fisherman! Many people like to use boxes which they sit on as the legs are better for navigating a bunch of terrain. I need the back support due to a lifetime of sports and computing so I prefer a chair unless it's absolutely necessary. A good chair will have the ability to attach a small tray to the side of it which is where you'll store your bait. You can use an old collapsable deckchair if you don't want to spend, just think about that you're going to have to carry it to the bank so maybe not a sun lounger.
  • Bait boxes. Get two or three of them. Cheap as chips, probably £2 or something.
  • Rigs and tackle. See the video or have a word with the guy in your local tackle shop for exact requirements. I'd recommend a simple float rig with a size 20 hook and some shot weights to get you going. Again, these are pretty cheap, a couple of quid.
  • A disgorger is needed to unhook badly hooked fish. Almost a necessity.
  • A decent plumb weight. You don't need to know what this is yet as all will be explained.
  • A landing net. Not a strict necessity to be honest but getting a cheap landing net will help you if you manage to hook bigger fish than you expected.
  • Bait and groundbait. You'll probably be fishing with pinkie maggots to start with. I've never met a fish that didn't like maggots.
That's pretty much it. Most of the stuff here outside the chair, net and whip is available for a few quid. The others aren't particularly expensive and if you're just starting then don't be afraid to skimp a little until you're happy with your commitment level.

How

It's much better to be shown how to fish than to read it. There's some good Youtube videos aimed at total beginners that focus on Whip Fishing a canal and teach how to setup your tackle (it's incredibly simple), how to plumb the depths, how to create a swim, what to look for, etc.

On a personal note, I cannot stress how important it is to plumb the depths (i.e. find how deep the water you're fishing in is and test if you're hook is sat in a bunch of weeds). I've been shocked at how little amount of kids are taught this properly by whoever teaches them to fish. Fishing at the wrong depth is probably the number one mistake I've seen beginners make because they either presume they know the depth without testing or they just don't really know how important it is to be exact on it. You can't fish if you haven't got an accurate picture of what is going on in front of you! Learn this skill and use it often!







Anybody can start fishing in almost any part of the country. If you enjoy being in nature, being in the Sun or just like a cheap day out with the kids then it's a great and rewarding activity. You won't catch monsters to begin with (unless you fluke something) but you'll have a fun time. If I'm going on the canal then I often go at first light (about 5.30am at the moment) then spend 2-3 hours there and come home ready to start the working day. The early morning fishing is nice, the barge traffic is low and it's a relaxing start to the day.

Once you get yourself practised on the canal then you move up to the better waters and into specimen hunting. Carp fishing for example is a HUGELY popular part of angling and that's almost like a science in how far you can take it. But you don't start like that; just a rod, chair, a bit of bait and you're away.
 
Got quite a few anglers on here so thought I'd start a thread to chat about it. Beginners guide first:

Beginners Guide

Fishing is one of those "easy to get started, difficult to master" pursuits that many people do over a lifetime. It's currently one of the most popular hobbies in the country with over 100,000 people getting out at least once a month and the number seems to be growing (up 9.8% year on year, in fact).

There's no really good or bad age to start fishing. I've been doing it since I was a toddler though plenty of extremely skilled anglers started well into their 40s and one at my local fishing club started in retirement.

Types

There's three types of fishing - coarse, game and sea fishing. I mostly coarse fish so will let others fill in the other two types and I think it's fair to say that coarse is the most common.

The purpose of most coarse fishing is to create a "swim" where you attract fish towards your hook until they take your bait and you catch them. Then you stick them back and do it again. As a pleasure angler, this is basically all there is to it and with about 30 minutes of training and some very cheap kit, anybody can go down to their local canal and achieve this.

Cost

Fishing can be extremely expensive at the higher ends but getting started has very little startup costs. There's some mandatory yearly fees, which are quite reasonable, then it is about buying tackle. Tackle is a bit like a toolbox in that nobody goes into B&Q and just drops several grand on every tool that they need - they build them up over a lifetime and often they are passed down through generations.

I reckon to get started from absolutely nothing, you need £150. This is mainly a one off outlay, to actually go fishing costs extremely little. A few quid for bait unless you're a bit more advanced.

Where

I'm a great believer that everybody should start off by whip fishing on a canal. It's cheap, it's simple, you've a good chance of catching and pretty much everything you need to learn about how to catch fish can be learnt on the canal. Here is a website that will tell you your local canal and which fishing club might look after it.

There's two administrative costs you need to pay in fishing - a rod licence and a day ticket. A rod licence can be obtained online for £30 a year, which you can buy from this website. Yes it's illegal to fish in England without one and yes, people actually check regularly. Day tickets are how much you pay to fish on the water for that day and are paid to the person who "owns" that water. Mostly these are organisations who do maintenance and upkeep on the area - on the canal it is usually local fishing clubs. The Bridgewater Canal for example has a ton of fishing clubs that own different stretches of the water and they tend to keep "their bit" tidy from litter, cut back some weeds where need be and that sort of thing. One thing you'll find as you move into fishing is that anglers are generally extremely bothered about keeping lakes, rivers, canals and other waters as pristine as possible so they can be enjoyed by all.

You can find the local fishing club and their prices on the same website linked earlier for canals. If you're going a few times it is usually a good idea to join as a yearly membership and save a bit of cash. They're very reasonably priced in my experience - £30-50 or so per year.

What

If you're going whip fishing on the canal, which I personally recommend and seemingly so do most other people in terms of getting started, you'll need the following items:
  • An elasticated Whip - you can buy ones into the hundreds here but don't. Get a 2m-4m one for £15-20. You don't need a 10m Whip on the canal. Whips are a type of pole fishing so you don't have a reel.
  • A chair - probably the most important purchase you'll make as a fisherman! Many people like to use boxes which they sit on as the legs are better for navigating a bunch of terrain. I need the back support due to a lifetime of sports and computing so I prefer a chair unless it's absolutely necessary. A good chair will have the ability to attach a small tray to the side of it which is where you'll store your bait. You can use an old collapsable deckchair if you don't want to spend, just think about that you're going to have to carry it to the bank so maybe not a sun lounger.
  • Bait boxes. Get two or three of them. Cheap as chips, probably £2 or something.
  • Rigs and tackle. See the video or have a word with the guy in your local tackle shop for exact requirements. I'd recommend a simple float rig with a size 20 hook and some shot weights to get you going. Again, these are pretty cheap, a couple of quid.
  • A disgorger is needed to unhook badly hooked fish. Almost a necessity.
  • A decent plumb weight. You don't need to know what this is yet as all will be explained.
  • A landing net. Not a strict necessity to be honest but getting a cheap landing net will help you if you manage to hook bigger fish than you expected.
  • Bait and groundbait. You'll probably be fishing with pinkie maggots to start with. I've never met a fish that didn't like maggots.
That's pretty much it. Most of the stuff here outside the chair, net and whip is available for a few quid. The others aren't particularly expensive and if you're just starting then don't be afraid to skimp a little until you're happy with your commitment level.

How

It's much better to be shown how to fish than to read it. There's some good Youtube videos aimed at total beginners that focus on Whip Fishing a canal and teach how to setup your tackle (it's incredibly simple), how to plumb the depths, how to create a swim, what to look for, etc.

On a personal note, I cannot stress how important it is to plumb the depths (i.e. find how deep the water you're fishing in is and test if you're hook is sat in a bunch of weeds). I've been shocked at how little amount of kids are taught this properly by whoever teaches them to fish. Fishing at the wrong depth is probably the number one mistake I've seen beginners make because they either presume they know the depth without testing or they just don't really know how important it is to be exact on it. You can't fish if you haven't got an accurate picture of what is going on in front of you! Learn this skill and use it often!







Anybody can start fishing in almost any part of the country. If you enjoy being in nature, being in the Sun or just like a cheap day out with the kids then it's a great and rewarding activity. You won't catch monsters to begin with (unless you fluke something) but you'll have a fun time. If I'm going on the canal then I often go at first light (about 5.30am at the moment) then spend 2-3 hours there and come home ready to start the working day. The early morning fishing is nice, the barge traffic is low and it's a relaxing start to the day.

Once you get yourself practised on the canal then you move up to the better waters and into specimen hunting. Carp fishing for example is a HUGELY popular part of angling and that's almost like a science in how far you can take it. But you don't start like that; just a rod, chair, a bit of bait and you're away.

Nice post Damo. I genuinely have never heard of whip fishing before. It conjures up quite a picture. I took up course fishing on the beautiful river swale in yorkshire when I was about 12. Stopped when I was about 16 to ahem, concentrate on other things and then took it up again in my fourties. Because I live in Scotland, I fly fish for trout (not huge amount of course fishing up here),usually from a boat on a Loch.
Fly fishing is the most beautiful peaceful pastime known to man, is very therapeutic and gets you very close to nature. We regularly see Ospreys fishing a great deal more successfully than us. It’s a social sport as well as you normally share a boat with a mate, a club member or if you are fishing competitively, another rival. I’m getting pestered to get out into the garden so don’t have time to describe methods etc but I will later unless someone beats me to it.

For anyone that has ever thought about taking up fishing, do it. Go out with someone who knows what they are doing, or book a lesson at your local fishery. You won’t ever regret it.
 
Nice post this Damo. Im 47 now but have 6 year old twins, boy/girl and also due to a lifetime of sporting and work injuries, my back just isnt in great knick anymore so playing football etc with them isnt really an option anymore and given i live 50 yards from the river Dee i've been seriously thinking about doing some fishing with them both if they want but definitely my boy. Im a complete novice barr the odd trip out as a kid many many years ago so any advice greatly appreciated.
 
Nice post Damo. I genuinely have never heard of whip fishing before. It conjures up quite a picture. I took up course fishing on the beautiful river swale in yorkshire when I was about 12. Stopped when I was about 16 to ahem, concentrate on other things and then took it up again in my fourties. Because I live in Scotland, I fly fish for trout (not huge amount of course fishing up here),usually from a boat on a Loch.
Fly fishing is the most beautiful peaceful pastime known to man, is very therapeutic and gets you very close to nature. We regularly see Ospreys fishing a great deal more successfully than us. It’s a social sport as well as you normally share a boat with a mate, a club member or if you are fishing competitively, another rival. I’m getting pestered to get out into the garden so don’t have time to describe methods etc but I will later unless someone beats me to it.

For anyone that has ever thought about taking up fishing, do it. Go out with someone who knows what they are doing, or book a lesson at your local fishery. You won’t ever regret it.

I tend to go to Loch Ken fairly regularly for pike. Nice part of the world, usually stay just outside of Castle Douglas near New Galloway. Also helps that if you stay at the Ken Bridge Hotel, it backs onto the River Ken so can fish from the pub!

Believe there's some good fly fishing there too. Or there was before a Krayfish invasion, not sure how that's affected the ecosystem there.
 
I tend to go to Loch Ken fairly regularly for pike. Nice part of the world, usually stay just outside of Castle Douglas near New Galloway. Also helps that if you stay at the Ken Bridge Hotel, it backs onto the River Ken so can fish from the pub!

Believe there's some good fly fishing there too. Or there was before a Krayfish invasion, not sure how that's affected the ecosystem there.

Mate i live in the Bridge of Dee just outside of Castle Douglas.

next time you are up give us a shout and you can teach me how to fish and i will supply the ale.
 
Mate i live in the Bridge of Dee just outside of Castle Douglas.

next time you are up give us a shout and you can teach me how to fish and i will supply the ale.

Ha, had no idea! I've been going up there for 25 years, love the place. My big dream is to retire up there, buy a farmhouse then fish the Lochs and rivers all day. I'll let you know next time I'm coming up!
 
Ha, had no idea! I've been going up there for 25 years, love the place. My big dream is to retire up there, buy a farmhouse then fish the Lochs and rivers all day. I'll let you know next time I'm coming up!

Im literally 50 yards from the Dee and 10 mins from Loch Ken.
 
Im literally 50 yards from the Dee and 10 mins from Loch Ken.

As an absolute beginner, the Loch will be friendlier to you.

The important thing at the start is to build a mental picture of what your hook is doing and how you're trying to attract fish. You cant work out what you're doing wrong and what else to try if you dont know what it is you're currently doing and what the fish are behaving like. In general, there's more variables to control on the rivers and it adds a little bit of complexity that you don't need to think about yet. River fishing is often about picking the right spots - a muddy bank with an 8 foot drop to the water in fast flowing rocky water is probably not the best place to start.

You can whip fish on Lochs no problem. Watch those YouTube vids mate
 
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I live in fly fishing country and while I enjoy it from time to time, coarse fishing is my main passion. Fortunately there are a few decent rivers around here there aren't solely trout and grayling but still not a patch on the 'good old days' on the Trent, Witham, Welland and Nene. I used to do a lot of match fishing but it's quite difficult these days with so many City games on a Sunday.

A good bet for beginners is also trying about some commercials where it's pretty much impossible not to catch. Good for kids but more catching than fishing. I still prefer rivers and natural lakes myself.
 
I tend to go to Loch Ken fairly regularly for pike. Nice part of the world, usually stay just outside of Castle Douglas near New Galloway. Also helps that if you stay at the Ken Bridge Hotel, it backs onto the River Ken so can fish from the pub!

Believe there's some good fly fishing there too. Or there was before a Krayfish invasion, not sure how that's affected the ecosystem there.
I am just south of Edinburgh so good for the trossachs and the Borders. On Coldingham Loch tomorrow:



It sits just north of Eyemouth about 100 yards from the North Sea. The water is so clear you can see every pebble on the bottom. Catch it right and its like heaven on earth. Rainbow, Brownies and Blues to around 8lb. The Lake of Menteith is another favourite:



A much bigger water that has recently opened up to Pike Fishing (as well as Trout on the fly). There are some real monsters 30lb + and some huge grown on Trout well into double figures. Again, if the weather is friendly you will be hard pushed to find a nicer place.

If you ever fancy a bash at Fly Fishing, give me a shout. I would be happy to take you out.
 
A great way to get rid of stress and relax , especially if you are surrounded by wildlife and beautiful countryside
 
I tend to go to Loch Ken fairly regularly for pike. Nice part of the world, usually stay just outside of Castle Douglas near New Galloway. Also helps that if you stay at the Ken Bridge Hotel, it backs onto the River Ken so can fish from the pub!

Believe there's some good fly fishing there too. Or there was before a Krayfish invasion, not sure how that's affected the ecosystem there.
I’ve not fished for a good few years but your post has brought back some fantastic memories. I was probably 7 when I first went to Loch Ken, we used to camp on a farm, Ringour (sp) within yards of the loch. No bogs, washed in the loch and a mile walk to the farm to get drinking water. Fishing, shooting and the biggest playground you could think of.

I assume you’ve been to the Cross Keys in New Galloway. I’ve spent many hours outside waiting for my old fella and even more hours inside as an adult drinking it dry.

I’ve stayed in the Ken Bridge a couple of times, the last time there were about 30 bikers in that scruffy bar at the back. It was an interesting night.

Re the crayfish, I think you might be right about them effecting the fishing as they eat the eggs and fry. I was driving past there about 3 years ago so stopped and popped my head over the bridge, saw very few fish but about 10 crayfish scurrying around.

SW Scotland is a great area to visit with few tourists and fairly easy to get to nowadays. Golf’s good as well. Enjoy your fishing.
 
I’ve not fished for a good few years but your post has brought back some fantastic memories. I was probably 7 when I first went to Loch Ken, we used to camp on a farm, Ringour (sp) within yards of the loch. No bogs, washed in the loch and a mile walk to the farm to get drinking water. Fishing, shooting and the biggest playground you could think of.

I assume you’ve been to the Cross Keys in New Galloway. I’ve spent many hours outside waiting for my old fella and even more hours inside as an adult drinking it dry.

I’ve stayed in the Ken Bridge a couple of times, the last time there were about 30 bikers in that scruffy bar at the back. It was an interesting night.

Re the crayfish, I think you might be right about them effecting the fishing as they eat the eggs and fry. I was driving past there about 3 years ago so stopped and popped my head over the bridge, saw very few fish but about 10 crayfish scurrying around.

SW Scotland is a great area to visit with few tourists and fairly easy to get to nowadays. Golf’s good as well. Enjoy your fishing.
Trap and eat the crayfish, they're good
 
I’ve not fished for a good few years but your post has brought back some fantastic memories. I was probably 7 when I first went to Loch Ken, we used to camp on a farm, Ringour (sp) within yards of the loch. No bogs, washed in the loch and a mile walk to the farm to get drinking water. Fishing, shooting and the biggest playground you could think of.

I assume you’ve been to the Cross Keys in New Galloway. I’ve spent many hours outside waiting for my old fella and even more hours inside as an adult drinking it dry.

I’ve stayed in the Ken Bridge a couple of times, the last time there were about 30 bikers in that scruffy bar at the back. It was an interesting night.

Re the crayfish, I think you might be right about them effecting the fishing as they eat the eggs and fry. I was driving past there about 3 years ago so stopped and popped my head over the bridge, saw very few fish but about 10 crayfish scurrying around.

SW Scotland is a great area to visit with few tourists and fairly easy to get to nowadays. Golf’s good as well. Enjoy your fishing.

Oh yeah, I've been in the Cross Keys a lot! There's a farmhouse just at the back of it that I've stayed at quite a few times. Fun memories of the place, especially the time where a mate who had never been to.the countryside before walked face first into a hedge because it was so dark. Or the time one lad wanted to do a "pub crawl" and didn't understand that meant a 5 mile round trip in between!

The Clachan in St John's Town of Dalry was a regular haunt too, just down the road. The bloke who owned that was called Andrew and he used to put on a lot of hunting stuff iirc. Nice guy, my old fella knew him fairly well.

On a fishing note, the Angling Times has got a spread about Partridge Fisheries in Warrington which has done really big carp in it. Never got around to going on there but it's on my list this season.
 
I’m a lifelong and passionate angler and I’m a big fish angler, an “all-rounder”, who fishes for specimens of various species according to the time of year.

The best advice I’d give to any angler is to start at the bottom, for small fish on the float. It is not fair on the fish to start fishing for carp, and particularly pike, without knowing how to do it. You will end up killing big and valuable fish.
 
Got back from fishing in Portugal only yesterday. Essentially, it's exploring the country with a fishing rod. Stayed in some magnificent (and cheap) places, drunk some beautiful wine, seen some wonderful sights and caught some decent carp and barbel. If i knew how to attach a photo I'd do it.
 

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