Bobby Gunning For Karl-Heinz Rummenigge!

[bayern blade]

To be honest, I think the bit I've bolded is where the problem lies. The gap between the so-called "elite" European clubs and the rest is bigger than ever before, and as such the chances of any other club achieving "elite" status is next to impossible unless that club is given a huge cash injection from a rich owner. I appreciate that domestically the Bundesliga is still very competitive because of the way your league is regulated but Bayern are still out on their own compared to all other German clubs in terms of being a household name across the globe. You're up there with the likes of United, Barca, Real, and AC Milan in terms of worldwide recognition.

As it happens, I'm not really interested in getting into a heated discussion with Bayern fans about this - Rummenigge has made some ill-advised inflammatory comments about our club while not in possession of the full facts of what City are trying to achieve but that isn't the fault of the Bayern fans that post on here, many of whom gave us good advice ahead of our trip there in September.

Good post,I agree with almost all of this.
I'd just add that I can see why City fans are annoyed with what Rummenigge has supposedly been saying but once again, the interviews have been taken out of context and inflamed by the British media to a large extent.
For instance an interview where Rummenigge was actually respecting City by saying he'd rather have Napoli go through simply because he sees City as a much bigger potential threat later was turned into a "Let's finish them off" interview. He never said that.
He has made remarks about City and FFP which he perhaps should have left unsaid but much of the stories currently doing the rounds in the UK press and simply paper talk.

The difference between the top of the BL and the PL is largely that in England there has been the same top four for years until recently, in Germany Bayern are always up there but the following pack constantly changes.
It is largely to do with management, with their huge support and potential Dortmund and Schalke should be challenging every year but have been constantly let down by their own management team.

 

[mancity1]

I think KHR is angling for Blatters job (lol).

He whinged about the fact that we were asking too much for Boetang when he wanted to return to Germany.

Obviously they were in for him when we outbid them on fees and wages and surprise surprise Boetang decided to come to us.

KHR should be lucky they didn't have to pay a few million more because quite frankly we could have stuck to our valuation and play hard ball with a player who was one year into a long contract.

You can bet that if the shoe was on the other foot we would have had to pay more and pay him more and KHR wouldn't have blinked a eye lid.

The Solution KHR is get into Blatters job and abolish transfer fees and place salary caps on all teams and introduce free trade and fight off the agents and other parasites and other stakeholders who do little to make the game more affordable for the supporters and fans and viewers of pay tv and put your money where you mouth is and then you may gain some respect amongst the rank and file that see you as nothing but paying lip service to your so called ideals.

 

[moomba]

Edit* I still cant fathom how people can argue that, lets hold out for all the clubs to find rich owners to support their competitive edge than find a solution that COULD possibly be a step in the right direction in evening out the playing field. Its beyond illogical. Its absolute nonsense. If you believe the ONLY ONLY way to compete with the so called 'cartel' is to basically get foreign ownership who can fund each and every semi-competitive club until they get access to the billionaires package, then the sport is too far gone already. I guess this is what strongbowholic was stating earlier about my naivety. I don't think optimism is naivety in this case at all. Maybe its his bias for supporting a club that is possibly hindered by FFP in reaching their true potential that is tunnel-visioning his opinion about my naivety.

The only only way to compete with the so called cartel certainly isn't being forced to spend less than them every year to improve your squad in relation to them.

But in the long run, I don't really care as I believe we won't have a problem with FFP. Plenty of other clubs will, the likes of Fulham and Wigan who have been funded by their owners for years without so much as a second glance by Rummenigge/Platini.

So bring on FFP, but for the love of god someone have the good sense to tell Rummenigge to keep his trap shut when talking about Man City. He doesn't have an understanding of our finances, he doesn't have a comprehension of our plans and strategies for the future and when it comes down to he's already made himself look stupid on more than one occasion talking about our club.

So whether it's whinging that MCFC wasn't prepared to sell Boateng on the terms that he wanted (as is our right), and laughing about a club with less resources beating MCFC in a one off match while his own club was beaten in the league by three clubs with much less resources, or whether it's talking about FFP and referring to MCFC specifically Rummenigge can fuck right off.

 

[mancity1]

Edit* I still cant fathom how people can argue that, lets hold out for all the clubs to find rich owners to support their competitive edge than find a solution that COULD possibly be a step in the right direction in evening out the playing field. Its beyond illogical. Its absolute nonsense. If you believe the ONLY ONLY way to compete with the so called 'cartel' is to basically get foreign ownership who can fund each and every semi-competitive club until they get access to the billionaires package, then the sport is too far gone already. I guess this is what strongbowholic was stating earlier about my naivety. I don't think optimism is naivety in this case at all. Maybe its his bias for supporting a club that is possibly hindered by FFP in reaching their true potential that is tunnel-visioning his opinion about my naivety.

The only only way to compete with the so called cartel certainly isn't being forced to spend less than them every year to improve your squad in relation to them.

But in the long run, I don't really care as I believe we won't have a problem with FFP. Plenty of other clubs will, the likes of Fulham and Wigan who have been funded by their owners for years without so much as a second glance by Rummenigge/Platini.

So bring on FFP, but for the love of god someone have the good sense to tell Rummenigge to keep his trap shut when talking about Man City. He doesn't have an understanding of our finances, he doesn't have a comprehension of our plans and strategies for the future and when it comes down to he's already made himself look stupid on more than one occasion talking about our club.

So whether it's whinging that MCFC wasn't prepared to sell Boateng on the terms that he wanted (as is our right), and laughing about a club with less resources beating MCFC in a one off match while his own club was beaten in the league by three clubs with much less resources, or whether it's talking about FFP and referring to MCFC specifically Rummenigge can fuck right off.

He has no credibility when it comes to FFP , he just pays lip service to it when it suits him to do so.

 

[SWP's back]

To be honest, I think the bit I've bolded is where the problem lies. The gap between the so-called "elite" European clubs and the rest is bigger than ever before, and as such the chances of any other club achieving "elite" status is next to impossible unless that club is given a huge cash injection from a rich owner. I appreciate that domestically the Bundesliga is still very competitive because of the way your league is regulated but Bayern are still out on their own compared to all other German clubs in terms of being a household name across the globe. You're up there with the likes of United, Barca, Real, and AC Milan in terms of worldwide recognition.

As it happens, I'm not really interested in getting into a heated discussion with Bayern fans about this - Rummenigge has made some ill-advised inflammatory comments about our club while not in possession of the full facts of what City are trying to achieve but that isn't the fault of the Bayern fans that post on here, many of whom gave us good advice ahead of our trip there in September.

Good post,I agree with almost all of this.
I'd just add that I can see why City fans are annoyed with what Rummenigge has supposedly been saying but once again, the interviews have been taken out of context and inflamed by the British media to a large extent.
For instance an interview where Rummenigge was actually respecting City by saying he'd rather have Napoli go through simply because he sees City as a much bigger potential threat later was turned into a "Let's finish them off" interview. He never said that.
He has made remarks about City and FFP which he perhaps should have left unsaid but much of the stories currently doing the rounds in the UK press and simply paper talk.

The difference between the top of the BL and the PL is largely that in England there has been the same top four for years until recently, in Germany Bayern are always up there but the following pack constantly changes.
It is largely to do with management, with their huge support and potential Dortmund and Schalke should be challenging every year but have been constantly let down by their own management team.

It's nothing to do with his latest interview. The **** hasn't shut up about us for 18 months.

 

[Breadsnapper]

You mis guided, bigoted fucking idiot. A cursary search on mcfc.co.uk will see what City are doing for charity AROUND THE WORLD never mind locally.
It seems to me it is either the German way or it is wrong. Dangerous fucking attitude if you ask me, and to think you are probably allowed to vote.

Did I say you weren't. You seem a tad touchy, may I suggest anger management. There really is no need to be so abusive, can't we have a civil debate on here ?

-- Wed Dec 07, 2011 9:35 am --

Why is it that all of these Germans have navigated to our forums (and in particular this thread)?

Because we are playing you possibly ?

It was the quote about the billionaire, but hey you take the piss all you want and I will just sit back and let you. It is a City forum, you are taking liberties, don't or fuck off. Is that clear?
There is a theme with you lot, a dark undercurrent that always runs just below the surface, that is our owner is Arab. All the forums showing allegience to your wonderful club always refer to us as having dity arab money, arab this arab that. You lot wanna ge a grip. Take a leaf out of your Northern countrymen and embrace diversity and cultural awareness.
And then leave if you don't like getting abuse.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/400079-how-can-bayern-munich-pay-franck-ribery-so-much
This makes very interesting reading about how the mighty munich is run. Fucking hypocrites spring to mind.

 

[bayern blade]

It was the quote about the billionaire, but hey you take the piss all you want and I will just sit back and let you. It is a City forum, you are taking liberties, don't or fuck off. Is that clear?
There is a theme with you lot, a dark undercurrent that always runs just below the surface, that is our owner is Arab. All the forums showing allegience to your wonderful club always refer to us as having dity arab money, arab this arab that. You lot wanna ge a grip. Take a leaf out of your Northern countrymen and embrace diversity and cultural awareness.
And then leave if you don't like getting abuse.

I'm not taking liberties, nor am I taking the piss. I'm on here debating because we are playing you, as such I give my opinion. I have tried to be fair and show respect as much as possible, I'm well aware this is a Man City site. I also gave plenty advice to your fans visiting Munich.
I manage to give my opinion without resorting to telling you all to "fuck off" or calling you and your club "effing cunts" all the time.
As, to be fair, do most of your supporters.

The Bayern sites you refer too are presumably the English speaking ones full of glory seekers and hangers on. They are not relevant, 99% of them couldn't find Munich on a map.
I personally couldn't care less what nationality your owner is, any issues I have on ffp have nothing to do with race or nationality.
I can take abuse, this is an internet forum and there will always be keyboard warriors mixed in with the rest. I would just rather debate an issue rather than hurl insults back and forth.
I'm in my forties now and have calmed down a bit.

Is that clear ?

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

Re: Re: Bobby Gunning For Karl-Heinz Rummenigge!

You mis guided, bigoted fucking idiot. A cursary search on mcfc.co.uk will see what City are doing for charity AROUND THE WORLD never mind locally.
It seems to me it is either the German way or it is wrong. Dangerous fucking attitude if you ask me, and to think you are probably allowed to vote.

Did I say you weren't. You seem a tad touchy, may I suggest anger management. There really is no need to be so abusive, can't we have a civil debate on here ?

-- Wed Dec 07, 2011 9:35 am --

Why is it that all of these Germans have navigated to our forums (and in particular this thread)?

Because we are playing you possibly ?

It was the quote about the billionaire, but hey you take the piss all you want and I will just sit back and let you. It is a City forum, you are taking liberties, don't or fuck off. Is that clear?
There is a theme with you lot, a dark undercurrent that always runs just below the surface, that is our owner is Arab. All the forums showing allegience to your wonderful club always refer to us as having dity arab money, arab this arab that. You lot wanna ge a grip. Take a leaf out of your Northern countrymen and embrace diversity and cultural awareness.
And then leave if you don't like getting abuse.

Thank goodness they're not Jewish. Imagine what the Nazi would have to say then. Probably shoot them and confiscate their wealth.

 

[M18CTID]

It was the quote about the billionaire, but hey you take the piss all you want and I will just sit back and let you. It is a City forum, you are taking liberties, don't or fuck off. Is that clear?
There is a theme with you lot, a dark undercurrent that always runs just below the surface, that is our owner is Arab. All the forums showing allegience to your wonderful club always refer to us as having dity arab money, arab this arab that. You lot wanna ge a grip. Take a leaf out of your Northern countrymen and embrace diversity and cultural awareness.
And then leave if you don't like getting abuse.

The Manchester United sites you refer too are presumably the English speaking ones full of glory seekers and hangers on. They are not relevant, 99% of them couldn't find Old Trafford on a map.

Fixed that for you mate ;)

 

[mike channon´s windmill]

I love it when people try to use failed repetitive humor as an excuse for poor debating skills. Keep it up.

By the way Rocket your point still comes off as absolute rubbish. If the current Norm is Heroin then there is no 'doing nothing at all', doing nothing at all in my argument = doing heroin which in your non-funny argument is worse off than doing cocaine.

Where did you learn failed symbolism and usage of buzzwords to attempt to be funny and fail? Internet 101 from Y2K?

Edit* I still cant fathom how people can argue that, lets hold out for all the clubs to find rich owners to support their competitive edge than find a solution that COULD possibly be a step in the right direction in evening out the playing field. Its beyond illogical. Its absolute nonsense. If you believe the ONLY ONLY way to compete with the so called 'cartel' is to basically get foreign ownership who can fund each and every semi-competitive club until they get access to the billionaires package, then the sport is too far gone already. I guess this is what strongbowholic was stating earlier about my naivety. I don't think optimism is naivety in this case at all. Maybe its his bias for supporting a club that is possibly hindered by FFP in reaching their true potential that is tunnel-visioning his opinion about my naivety.

To be honest, I think the bit I've bolded is where the problem lies. The gap between the so-called "elite" European clubs and the rest is bigger than ever before, and as such the chances of any other club achieving "elite" status is next to impossible unless that club is given a huge cash injection from a rich owner. I appreciate that domestically the Bundesliga is still very competitive because of the way your league is regulated but Bayern are still out on their own compared to all other German clubs in terms of being a household name across the globe. You're up there with the likes of United, Barca, Real, and AC Milan in terms of worldwide recognition.

As it happens, I'm not really interested in getting into a heated discussion with Bayern fans about this - Rummenigge has made some ill-advised inflammatory comments about our club while not in possession of the full facts of what City are trying to achieve but that isn't the fault of the Bayern fans that post on here, many of whom gave us good advice ahead of our trip there in September.

Well put

And as far as debating is concerned I´d like to have the final right to reply

Isn´t what FFP is really about is eliminating huge transfer fees in the future and getting clubs to invest in their own academies and bring through their own players? The underlying motive is clear. Will it work? In the transient real world we live in I have my doubts but answer me this miene freunde. Which owner is investing heavily in a state of the art football academy to rival any in the world AND helping to regenerate a run down inner city area in the process, thus attempting in their own way, to put an end to the interminable transfer merry-go-round?
I rest my case M´lord