Bony (Season long loan at Stoke - Official)

[Dax777]

Utter shite.

Dzeko is not of Aguero's quality but he certainly mattered to every honour this club has won in the past 5 years. Negredo is not of Aguero's quality but he certainly mattered to the double we won in his season here. That point is ridiculous.

"Ifs and buts" with Iheanacho and certainly Sterling as a striker. Especially at a club with the pressures of ours. Someone asked why we don't do what the likes of Spurs have with Alli and that's because of expectation and pressure. We're in 4 competitions now and for the foreseeable and distant future will constantly be at this point of each season and as of right now having a temperamental finisher in Sterling, a 19 year old who yes has shown good glimpses and an injury prone Aguero is not ideal or "fine". Even with those we have supplying the chances, Kev's created more chances away from home but has considerably more assists at home. Why that would suddenly change with Sterling up front instead of a recognized striker I don't know.

If Bony goes, we need a replacement striker. One accustomed to the role of such. Muller isn't exactly a Sterling being lumped up front on occasion is he?

6 months ago it was "Aguero, Bony and Iheanacho are enough" and now it's seemingly not.

You missed the point "being of Aguero's quality" meant to underscore. It is not that only players of Aguero's quality are worthy but rather, if the incoming guy is not of that quality he is quite unlikely to be more productive than either Sterling or Kelechi. Who are already better drilled in our system.

Bony himself is a good quality striker, and if he is having problems fitting into our system after a year, surely you can expect a high likelihood that the new striker of similar quality will also struggle to fit in.

Sure we could get lucky and find a seamless backup. Hence the 'of Aguero caliber' reference. Meaning if you want to Guarantee a high likelihood of success that is the type of quality you'd require. Otherwise, we are more likely to get someone who eventually will turn out to be no better than Kelechi or Sterling.

As for Bayern, sure Mueller is no chump, but he is still a midfielder. That being the key point. An incessant infatuation with having multiple strikers is pointless. Get one of the very best ( which we have) and back him up with emergency mids who can deputize in short spurts.

By the way, you day Mueller can do it for Bayern, and I say if he can, so can DeBryune. Who is the closest thing to Mueller in the Prem.

Luckily for us, he too plays for City.

Like I said, Aguero and Kelechi is enough. With Sterling as backup

 

[g180aj]

I really think Aguero, Kelechi and Sterling could handle the striking duties if we sold Bony.

Especially with Isco coming in and being able to put the ball on a plate for them.

 

[aguerooo93]

especially with Isco coming in and being able to put the ball on a plate for them.

Isco's not coming in. But I agree that Iheanacho and Sterling provide enough cover for that single striker spot. Giving Iheanacho more game time will accelerate his development, while having Sterling play centrally would allow our other attacking midfielders to have more game time (Navas, Nasri etc).

 

[pudge]

You missed the point "being of Aguero's quality" meant to underscore. It is not that only players of Aguero's quality are worthy but rather, if the incoming guy is not of that quality he is quite unlikely to be more productive than either Sterling or Kelechi. Who are already better drilled in our system.

Bony himself is a good quality striker, and if he is having problems fitting into our system after a year, surely you can expect a high likelihood that the new striker of similar quality will also struggle to fit in.

Sure we could get lucky and find a seamless backup. Hence the 'of Aguero caliber' reference. Meaning if you want to Guarantee a high likelihood of success that is the type of quality you'd require. Otherwise, we are more likely to get someone who eventually will turn out to be no better than Kelechi or Sterling.

As for Bayern, sure Mueller is no chump, but he is still a midfielder. That being the key point. An incessant infatuation with having multiple strikers is pointless. Get one of the very best ( which we have) and back him up with emergency mids who can deputize in short spurts.

By the way, you day Mueller can do it for Bayern, and I say if he can, so can DeBryune. Who is the closest thing to Mueller in the Prem.

Luckily for us, he too plays for City.

Lime I said, Aguero and Kelechi is enough. With sterling as backup

Again, utter shite. My point on Dzeko and Negredo still stands. Your assumptions are just that, assumptions. We've had Dzeko, a level below Aguero and not suited to our team but if you're telling me Sterling could be more productive than 26 goals in a season then you're taking the piss. Ludicrous to suggest a proper striker wouldn't produce more than Sterling if he's not as good as Aguero when we've had two recent ones bag 20+ goal seasons.

An "incessant infatuation with having multiple strikers" has been pivotal to our two league titles, FA Cup and League Cup over the past 5 years. Pivotal, and with going for the CL in the future if not now then even more so. Chelsea, United, Arsenal, Liverpool all have paid the price for a lack of players (depth) specialised in putting the ball in the back of the net

 

[Dax777]

Isco's not coming in. But I agree that Iheanacho and Sterling provide enough cover for that single striker spot. Giving Iheanacho more game time will accelerate his development, while having Sterling play centrally would allow our other attacking midfielders to have more game time (Navas, Nasri etc).

Like I'm trying to explain to Pudge and Karen, its simply addition by substraction.

 

[blueincy]

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/swansea-city-set-offer-wilfried-10711178

 

[aguerooo93]

Like I'm trying to explain to Pudge and Karen, its simply addition by substraction.

Yeah, more strikers doesn't necessarily mean more goals. I'd rather have one striker with three attacking midfielders capable of chipping in (Aguero, Sterling, Silva, KDB) than Dzeko/Bony making us disjointed and slowing down our quick movement around the box. Yes, they score but we'll score more goals in total when we're playing fluid, attacking football with technical players - Aguero, Silva, KDB and Sterling.

 

[pudge]

Yeah, more strikers doesn't necessarily mean more goals. I'd rather have one striker with three attacking midfielders capable of chipping in (Aguero, Sterling, Silva, KDB) than Dzeko/Bony making us disjointed and slowing down our quick movement around the box. Yes, they score but we'll score more goals in total when we're playing fluid, attacking football with technical players - Aguero, Silva, KDB and Sterling.

Again, De Bruyne has been creating chances at will but there's a lack of quality up front to put them away.

You also can't account for injuries. Sterling is not, nor will he ever be a striker. He'll chip in but he'll create more so having someone to put those chances away is better that sticking him up front with the standard of his finishing.

3 striking options is not enough, especially with only one being an experienced, recognized but injury plagued striker and another being a winger with poor finishing. No level of bollocks will sway me otherwise. Silva and Kev canset them up all they like but putting them away is another matter, hence why Sterling is not a striker.

It's not as easy as "stick Sterling up front in case of an emergency" I'd rather avoid there being an emergency in the first place. It's presumptuous shite like that which was abundant when the likes of Fernando signed and everyone thought we'd be a brick wall. Then it's put into practice and shows people know less than they think but it's easy to sound smart.

 

[g180aj]

Isco's not coming in. But I agree that Iheanacho and Sterling provide enough cover for that single striker spot. Giving Iheanacho more game time will accelerate his development, while having Sterling play centrally would allow our other attacking midfielders to have more game time (Navas, Nasri etc).

Anything can happen in football, as far as the striker situation it would only be until the summer and the real Business gets done.

 

[Dax777]

Again, utter shite. My point on Dzeko and Negredo still stands. Your assumptions are just that, assumptions. We've had Dzeko, a level below Aguero and not suited to our team but if you're telling me Sterling could be more productive than 26 goals in a season then you're taking the piss.

An "incessant infatuation with having multiple strikers" has been pivotal to our two league titles, FA Cup and League Cup over the past 5 years. Pivotal, and with going for the CL in the future if not now then even more so.

Yes, its am assumption. Just like yours that we need more strikers. Neither is a fact, both are assumptions, so its redundant pointing that out.

As for your " point on Dzeko and Negredo" still standing? Well, only if you pretend to be oblivious to the point being made.

Here is the point, a young striker and Speedy attacking midfielder are more likely to be just as productive in a system they are already comfortable in, as an average or good striker who is coming in cold halfway thru the season.

That in a nutshell was the point. But if you want to know how Dzeko is truly relevant to this discussion, check how many goals he scored after joining us in January of 2011 - 6 goals. But I'm sure you already knew that. Bony on the other hand scored 2 goals. So on average our midseason recruits tend to contribute about 4 goals in half a season. You are telling me Sterling and Kelechi can't produce that?

But seeing as all that supports my position that bringing in a new backup midseason is unlikely to be more productive than using what we have on the bench l.E. Kelechi and Sterling, you underplayed it.

So here is the real question here, do you think Kelechi and Sterling can muster 6 to 8 goals between them over the next 6 months just like Dzeko did when he came in cold in January or like Bony did when he came incold last January?

Our history of buying backup strikers in January has shown to bring us no serious value towards the rest of the season that Kelechi and Sterling can't cover.

That is the point!!!