Breaking records/stats thread

Metalartin said:
I think Gary James did as good a job as anyone to explain it for you. What's next extra time goals don't count because they weren't in normal time? That's probably what you're missing "normal time" can end but the game itself goes on and is "decided" either in extra time or penalties. The match doesn't "finish" on the whistle for normal time.

So no Aguero's record wasn't broken last night but the match was decided on penalties and City win the tie.
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Gary didn't explain it though imo, as he believes wrongly again imo that the moscow game is classed as a win when it's not been in any stats I can find. He is using that as a precedent for us classing last night as a win. Yet if we use the precedent correctly it would be a draw.
 
SWP's back said:
....to determine the winner!

You’re missing out the important part mate.
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I don't think I am. You can win the tie without winning the match. If we win the semi first leg 1-0 then get beat in the second leg 0-1 and win on pens did we win the second leg?
The team scoring the greater number of goals is the winner. If both teams score
no goals or an equal number of goals the match is drawn.
When competition rules require a winning team after a drawn match or home-
and-away tie, the only permitted procedures to determine the winning team
are:
• away goals rule
• two equal periods of extra time not exceeding 15 minutes each
• kicks from the penalty mark
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bluesmith said:
I don't think I am. You can win the tie without winning the match. If we win the semi first leg 1-0 then get beat in the second leg 0-1 and win on pens did we win the second leg?
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You’ve literally just quoted the important part “to determine the winning team”

You’re proving the point.

the only permitted procedures to determine the winning team
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SWP's back said:
You’ve literally just quoted the important part “to determine the winning team”

You’re proving the point.
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Winning team of the tie not the match it clearly states the match is classed as drawn.

I can see how it can interpreted different but to me a drawn game isn't a win.
Years ago they used to toss a coin to see who went through if you won the toss is it a win?
 
bluesmith said:
Winning team of the tie not the match it clearly states the match is classed as drawn.

I can see how it can interpreted different but to me a drawn game isn't a win.
Years ago they used to toss a coin to see who went through if you won the toss is it a win?
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Mate. Let’s agree to disagree. It’s like arguing with a religious person and I’m sure you feel the same.
 
Easy said:
I’m with @domalino on this one, it’s not a win so our consecuive win streak has ended. The result is a DRAW.

Both us and Wolves are going into the draw for the next round.
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Hey, I'm all for it going down as a win if that's what it is officially.
 
NorCalBlue said:
Since you seem to be arguing this alone so far bluesmith, just wanted you to know that I agree with you. It's not anti-City to think it should be classed as a draw.
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SWP's back said:
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NorCalBlue said:
Since you seem to be arguing this alone so far bluesmith, just wanted you to know that I agree with you. It's not anti-City to think it should be classed as a draw.
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Cheers, I'm sure there's a few who agree. It does seem to be a grey area and it's hard to disagree with Gary - he's forgotten more than most of us know.
 
I also thought we drew with Arsenal in the FA Cup semi-final last season...

[Edit: actually, I thought we won it, since that cross stayed in play, but that's a different argument]
 
It's only the bookies that don't see it as a win as they pay out on 90 minutes, so a draw in their eyes.
 
Yep Bluesmith might be correct and there are a lot of people who agree despite what we would like to think.

I think it might be one of those that it depends who you ask. No doubt we will claim it. Not sure if there is an official body that records it or not but if there is, it isn't the BBC.

Is going through on away goals a win? You win the tie but not the game necessarily. I know it's different but there is some grey area.

In the World Cup if it's a draw after ET it's recorded as a draw on the country's all time WDL record and I think it's the same for clubs. The bookies have nothing to do with it. Most statisticians will record the result as at the end of 120 minutes.

It should be a win in my opinion but it's not clear cut...

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...-should-a-penalty-shoot-out-victory-be-viewed

http://www.wsc.co.uk/wsc-daily/1167...nalty-shootout-victory-is-not-winning-a-match
 
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Cobwebcat said:
Yep Bluesmith might be correct and there are a lot of people who agree despite what we would like to think.

I think it might be one of those that it depends who you ask. No doubt we will claim it. Not sure if there is an official body that records it or not but if there is, it isn't the BBC.

Is going through on away goals a win? You win the tie but not the game necessarily. I know it's different but there is some grey area.

In the World Cup if it's a draw after ET it's recorded as a draw on the country's all time WDL record and I think it's the same for clubs.

It should be a win in my opinion but it's not clear cut...

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...-should-a-penalty-shoot-out-victory-be-viewed
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If we'd have lost on pens though it would have been as clear cut as you can get from most quarters.
 
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