Brentford (H) | Post-Match Thread

City always get done at home every year by a team on the break. When I see odds against a side like Brentford at 18/1 and 6/1 for a result I always have a £10 nibble on each. Lost on Bournemouth and Fulham (Palace odds were had come down after last two years results). So my comfort bet has returned £240 this weekend.

Think what I m trying to say is this sort of result has happened in the past and seems to have spurred them on after. Don't panic Captain Mainwaring!!!!
 
City always get done at home every year by a team on the break. When I see odds against a side like Brentford at 18/1 and 6/1 for a result I always have a £10 nibble on each. Lost on Bournemouth and Fulham (Palace odds were had come down after last two years results). So my comfort bet has returned £240 this weekend.

Think what I m trying to say is this sort of result has happened in the past and seems to have spurred them on after. Don't panic Captain Mainwaring!!!!
Problem I find with this is it doesn’t bring me any comfort.
 
My point Is, is when you say controlled a game what do you mean? Is your idea of control pretty little passes backwards then sideways then backwards with no end product?
To answer your first question, control and domination - that word was used to describe our play by Brentford - of the ball and territory, the fact that they defended very deeply and packed their defensive third. We tried the final ball, but it didn’t work. Won’t work all the time. To answer your second question, no. And we don’t do that & haven’t won a shit load by simply doing ‘pretty little passes’.

Possession is interesting. You can win a game with low possession stats, but you can’t win a title playing that way. The teams with the highest possession levels for the season so far are us, Arsenal, Liverpool, United, Brighton. Will be interesting to see if Spurs and Newcastle can stay up there playing the way they do. But, I agree you can have more possession than the opponent but do fuck all with it - Wolves, Leeds the case in point so far this season.
 
On what evidence are you basing it on that we would have won it twice? Their keeper barely got his gloves dirty, ederson had to save 2 1 on 1's in the first 10 minutes, de bruyne had to clear 1 off the line when 2 1 down, people on here mistake ball possession equals the better team
Agree. Possession is like money in the PL, it not what you’ve got it’s how you spend it. And we were wasteful and sloppy in possession. Soon as Brentford got a touch they were quick, accurate and made something of it. Haaland shouldn’t have played, Alvarez should’ve started, and while he’s been underwhelming this season I found myself missing Grealish.

Upside is it’s the first time my kids have seen us lose ‘in person’ at home and it’s good for them to know that we’re not going to win every game with three to six goals.
 
To answer your first question, control and domination - that word was used to describe our play by Brentford - of the ball and territory, the fact that they defended very deeply and packed their defensive third. We tried the final ball, but it didn’t work. Won’t work all the time. To answer your second question, no. And we don’t do that & haven’t won a shit load by simply doing ‘pretty little passes’.

Possession is interesting. You can win a game with low possession stats, but you can’t win a title playing that way. The teams with the highest possession levels for the season so far are us, Arsenal, Liverpool, United, Brighton. Will be interesting to see if Spurs and Newcastle can stay up there playing the way they do. But, I agree you can have more possession than the opponent but do fuck all with it - Wolves, Leeds the case in point so far this season.
Liverpool point In case, you said they have great possession stats, look where they are, they are having a poor season by their standards, but I bet the fans are over the moon that they are up there in possession stats
 
Well that nails it then, they scored 2 we scored 1 and we apparently have the best striker in the world
Yer dead right on all counts, Mariosfwks. But I thought that my post implied that we 'could' have won it twice, rather than should have. I think I shall have to make efforts to develop some mastery in precise English so that i don't sow any confusion.
 
Oh well if people on here have said it, hardly representative is it any more than those that before every season say we’ll struggle for top 4 or Pep has been found out. Most fans are realistic and fall in between and think we’ll fight for the title and with our players and manager and experience will be favourites.
Fair play to you, I love city but in my heart and seeing us play I don't believe we will win it this season, and to be honest I don't mind if we don't, they have already surpassed all my expectations, as a young lad growing up I was made up to see us win a game
 
Liverpool point In case, you said they have great possession stats, look where they are, they are having a poor season by their standards, but I bet the fans are over the moon that they are up there in possession stats
Not the point I was making, but yes they’re 6th, right up there with all the teams who have the highest possession rates and who win the most games.
 
Oh well if people on here have said it, hardly representative is it any more than those that before every season say we’ll struggle for top 4 or Pep has been found out. Most fans are realistic and fall in between and think we’ll fight for the title and with our players and manager and experience will be favourites.
I think that teams have found a way, not particularly 'finding Pep out', but making it difficult to break them down. How many regularly employ a back five, two players on any one City player with the ball, a press that negates playing out from the back, and wasting time by the bucket load to frustrate the players and wind up the crowd. A frequent tactic that CFC adopted on Wednesday and used to some effect by Brentford was to boot the ball into any vacant space and for us to begin again. We needed a special goal from Foden to get level, Gundog missed a chance when on any other day he'd have walloped it in, a couple ballooned shots into the second tier, I lost count of how many blocks our shots hit And then there was the refereeing masterclass from Bankes, aided and abetted by that magnificent performance from VAR.
 
I think that teams have found a way, not particularly 'finding Pep out', but making it difficult to break them down. How many regularly employ a back five, two players on any one City player with the ball, a press that negates playing out from the back, and wasting time by the bucket load to frustrate the players and wind up the crowd. A frequent tactic that CFC adopted on Wednesday and used to some effect by Brentford was to boot the ball into any vacant space and for us to begin again. We needed a special goal from Foden to get level, Gundog missed a chance when on any other day he'd have walloped it in, a couple ballooned shots into the second tier, I lost count of how many blocks our shots hit And then there was the refereeing masterclass from Bankes, aided and abetted by that magnificent performance from VAR.
We normally find a way through. When we don’t it makes all the control and possession meaningless and opens us up for criticism. It will never change. End of the season when we lift a trophy it’s all forgotten.
 
I think that teams have found a way, not particularly 'finding Pep out', but making it difficult to break them down. How many regularly employ a back five, two players on anyone City player with the ball, a press that negates playing out from the back, and wasting time by the bucket load to frustrate and wind up the crowd. A frequent tactic that CFC adopted on Wednesday and used to some effect by Brentford was to boot the ball into any vacant space and for us to begin again. We needed a special goal from Foden to get level, Gundog missed a chance when on any other day he'd have walloped it in, a couple ballooned shots into the second tier, I lost count of how many blocks our shots hit And then there was the refereeing masterclass from Bankes, aided and abetted by that magnificent performance from VAR.
Yes,all systems have a weakness and the best way to beat ours is stay deep stay compact and break quickly, and hope for a bit of luck, or a bad day from us, even normally attacking teams do it. Thats been true for years. Most coaches set up to do that but more often than not we find a way of beating them enough to win the league. Every so often things won’t work and we’ll lose.
It will be interesting when we play Arsenal whether they revert to a defensive block or try to play us at our own game.
 
Yes,all systems have a weakness and the best way to beat ours is stay deep stay compact and break quickly, and hope for a bit of luck, or a bad day from us, even normally attacking teams do it. Thats been true for years. Most coaches set up to do that but more often than not we find a way of beating them enough to win the league. Every so often things won’t work and we’ll lose.
It will be interesting when we play Arsenal whether they revert to a defensive block or try to play us at our own game.
Interesting indeed. I think Arteta is cut from the same cloth as Pep. One a Basque, t'other a Catalan, but both look at football in the same way. If the Arse have the advantage in points and position in the table I fancy he might do what Ferguson tried to do in 2012 - go for a draw. We might just have a little bit more luck than Saturday!
 
Sane against an 11 man defence sat on the edge of their own area however does nothing....
And I was a fan of Sane....
Haaland is desperate for that early ball in behind the defence. He would be buying dinner for Sané every night if the week with the kind of service Sané would be providing him!

We have a CF who likes the ball in behind, which isn’t easy given the 5-3-2 block, so you have to lift the ball looking for him directly or to clean up second balls. Just didn’t do EITHER with any effectiveness yesterday!

The key to these types of games is EXACTLY what Brentford did to us…get the first goal, make the opposition chase the game, then hit them as often as possible once they open up.

Usually, the oppositions soft underbelly is the open spaces it creates for us to exploit. Against us, it’s the commitment of all 10 outfield players inside their last third of the pitch.

As I said earlier, OUR greatest weapon is forcing OUR GAME on other teams. However, early on, Brentford forced THEIR game on us and SHOUKD have had a 3-0 lead in the first 16 minutes!

From there, it was long cross & knock on for the angled runner in behind or the one on one runner with pace playing hit and run with our slower defenders. Their pace caused us problems because we play high risk defence. Yesterday it cost us. Normally it does not,

Our troubles ALWAYS seem to come against the disciplined 11 man defence they can not only press and collapse of we beat that press, but can break out at pace, with rabbits that can hold the ball up or take players on one on one.

It has been this way for years under Pep, but playing the percentages means it has very rarely cost us 3 points. This year, it has made us look a bit slow, stale and at 6s and 7s.

The last thing I will say is that our schedule has been punishing. It hadn’t allowed us to do almost any tactical work, because there is simply no time with a weekend-midweek-weekend schedule due to travel, rest & recovery.

I’m hoping Pep has a fresh idea of two for the Abu Dhabi “mid-season” because we have started to look a bit one dimensional, even with different line ups, because we are facing the same challenge every game, with very little variation. We are becoming very predictable, both in the manner of our attack and the way in which we can be attacked…and teams like Fulham, Brentford and Palace are starting to become OUR most difficult opponents, because they don’t need to attack us, nobody expects them to get a result, and they have the exact same approach, which we struggle against!

Our saving grace over a season is that we usually score first and that creates the need for the opposition to come out at some point. This season, we have conceded first more often than I can ever remember happening.

I am reminded of when Pep had a sticky spell and we got the “Tackles? What is ‘the tackles?’ We do not train for the tackles!” comment.

It is time we did some self-reflection of what we are doing that is not achieving the desired results, and what our difficult opponents are doing that we are struggling to handle.

Lastly, it feels like this is the last iteration of this team and that we are on the verge of a transition…be that with or without Pep.

There is youth on the doorstep, there is age creeping up on s few players and injuries are causing too many reshuffles at times. Our possession is the stuff of legend, but it’s not creating the desired effect. It is no longer smothering and killing teams off with the chances it creates.

Rather, it is creating defensive blocks that are not only holding, but are spring-loaded to attack our soft underbelly…and being far too successful at it!

I’d expect another 2-3 man rotation this summer, with some pace and something a little different being injected into the squad. Grealish was certainly different to the profile, but isn’t being utilized as effectively as he could be, although he does seem like he has upped his game wrt to dribbling and taking on his man, albeit to little effect as yet.

With Gundo looking like he’s leaving and Bernardo apparently wanting to leave, we have major quality required to replace both of them, esp given one gets to walk away for free and will not contribute a penny to the transfer of his replacement.

Here’s hoping Txiki has identified the men and we are already working on the deals, because it will not be cheap!
 
We normally find a way through. When we don’t it makes all the control and possession meaningless and opens us up for criticism. It will never change. End of the season when we lift a trophy it’s all forgotten.
We do, even unto the 99th minute, but it was obvious that we were struggling on Saturday, shots going way over, Kev's radar needed more than a tweek, but I suppose if Pep said at HT that Plan B was being unveiled it might have meant that we struggled with Plan B and we were still ballooning shots into the stands.
 
Not good enough yesterday, infact I'd say the last 4-6 games have been hit or miss, with mnds elsewhere!

There's to many pre Madonna's worrying about the world cup, let's face it, most of them haven't a fookin cat in hells chance of picking up that throphy, most have more chance of picking up a STD. They'd be much better calling in sick and concentrating on the Prem and CL instead.

I do hate WC, infact all internationals, when certain players put more effort in to what gucci bag/colour of headphones they'll travel with, more than football pre and during the competition....its the "just get me on that plane syndrome"....!!

Yesterday was highly frustrating and their effort was no where near the money they get payed.

TBH one or two I'd wish them well, then change the locks on their lockers, leave their stuff at reception for when they get back!..."Here's your hair gel and sliders ya ****, now fuck off!!"....hahaha.

Fuckin World Cup my arse!!

Grrrrr!!
 
We do, even unto the 99th minute, but it was obvious that we were struggling on Saturday, shots going way over, Kev's radar needed more than a tweek, but I suppose if Pep said at HT that Plan B was being unveiled it might have meant that we struggled with Plan B and we were still ballooning shots into the stands.
We were fucking awful mate. No two ways about it.
 
I think that teams have found a way, not particularly 'finding Pep out', but making it difficult to break them down. How many regularly employ a back five, two players on any one City player with the ball, a press that negates playing out from the back, and wasting time by the bucket load to frustrate the players and wind up the crowd. A frequent tactic that CFC adopted on Wednesday and used to some effect by Brentford was to boot the ball into any vacant space and for us to begin again. We needed a special goal from Foden to get level, Gundog missed a chance when on any other day he'd have walloped it in, a couple ballooned shots into the second tier, I lost count of how many blocks our shots hit And then there was the refereeing masterclass from Bankes, aided and abetted by that magnificent performance from VAR.
Exactly, teams are shutting us out now and are stopping us from creating many clear cut chances. Pep needs some new ideas to change our style of play because it's pretty stale at present
 
Not good enough yesterday, infact I'd say the last 4-6 games have been hit or miss, with mnds elsewhere!

There's to many pre Madonna's worrying about the world cup, let's face it, most of them haven't a fookin cat in hells chance of picking up that throphy, most have more chance of picking up a STD. They'd be much better calling in sick and concentrating on the Prem and CL instead.

I do hate WC, infact all internationals, when certain players put more effort in to what gucci bag/colour of headphones they'll travel with, more than football pre and during the competition....its the "just get me on that plane syndrome"....!!

Yesterday was highly frustrating and their effort was no where near the money they get payed.

TBH one or two I'd wish them well, then change the locks on their lockers, leave their stuff at reception for when they get back!..."Here's your hair gel and sliders ya ****, now fuck off!!"....hahaha.

Fuckin World Cup my arse!!

Grrrrr!!
Ha ha, my feelings about this shitty world cup entirely. Can't see any of our lads having a particularly good tournament, they're running on fumes at present and need to find some proper fuck off energy from somewhere. Not going to get it in 35 degree heat are they, lol
 

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