Brian Clough interview.

Yeah. In modern terms, Clough could take the Rags, or Wolves, or someone like that, and win the European Cup.

It ain't going to happen, is it?

Not a snowball in hell, as they say. The new-format CL that superseded the old European Cup was already heavily weighted so that the seeded teams got to the semis. Now, with the extension, it's even more certain that there can be no glitches in the system.
 
Clough was also a decent striker for Boro and Sunderland before injury ended his career. That clip of him and Don Revie, just awesome in it's utter awkwardness, no love lost there!

His achievements at Derby and Forest are breathtaking, remember watching his European Cup Wins as a kid. My memory was that his sides tended to play decent football. Hope him and Peter Taylor are watching our team from on high, with a wry smile.
 
As I said my view is purely based on the formula:

X is connected to City
Y is enemy of X
Y is therefore a ****

Haha

I know it’s more nuanced than that and yours and Vienna’s posts on here are really interesting, thank you.
The deep root of the rivalry, as I understand it ,is that the two men were from the same area of the North East.it might be even the same town , I've not had time to check.There was an unhealthy competiveness which built up between them from day 1 , which was exacerbated by the two entirely different ways of playing the game , esp 're discipline on the field.
I watched the damned utd movie and more or less dismissed it as any real insight to Clough. The film/ documentary I believe in miracles is absolutely brilliant, showing Clough ,just as he was.

It should also be remembered that ,as dirty as Leeds were, Clough believed in hard men being instilled in his team's. It was CLough who put Roy Mcfarland at the heart of Derby county's defence and won the league , he also, as has been said earlier, signed Larry lloyd from liverpool and Kenny Burns from Birmingham, both very aggressive players. Burns was a proper hard man. He used to look after the 16 year old Trevor Francis ,at the time when our former striker was scoring 4 goals in a match against Ipswich as a 16 year old.
And of course Clough, not Taylor discoverd Stuart Peacre ,one of the hardest left backs to play the game over the last few decades
and it was Clough who signed Roy Keane as a 19 year old from Ireland in later years. The difference was,I think , Clough demanded his players respect the referee and not argue with them . The same could not be said of Review at Leeds by all accounts. They were hard but snide.
Clearly encouraged by Revie. ..they must have been.

However all this discipline, and law and order public front ( he once told the Trent end ,forests vocal terrace , to stop swearing) wasn't the whole truth about the man.

Many many Notts folk know ,that behind the scenes he did just as he wanted to do....and made his money.....
Clough was witter, sharper and more articulate than Revie.
Or he appeared so....

Both men were very good forwards as players. While Revie achieved success at City, Cloughs career was cut short after he broke his leg one boxing day match at Roker Park, the break was so bad ,apparently fans in the ground heard it.....Clough had one of the most outstanding goals per games records of any striker in England at the time of his injury.which ended his footballing career.
I still think that injury, made him bitter ,very bitter.
There were not many better forwards about than Brain Clough in his day.
 
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Yep.

If we was alive now he'd be a reform MP.
In what world do you think an old Labour supporter would vote for a right-wing party like Reform?

I think his dad was a miner, and he was one of several children; the family often didn’t have two pennies to rub together.
 
Completely agree with him about the media, their overly negative analysis, picking on the bad points with no enjoyment of games, players, teams and incidents, and the treatment of the officials is a disgrace.

And this was in the 1970s. It’s worse now.

‘Less of *that*, shut up and show more football’ should be the painted above the doors on every studio at the BBC, Sky, TNT etc.

[*talking action with the hand*]
Clough saying that about MoTD analysis then, imagine what he’d think of the likes of Carragher, Neville, Richards et al analysis? Most matches gets analysed to the enth degree these days.
 
The deep root of the rivalry, as I understand it ,is that the two men were from the same area of the North East.it might be even the same town , I've not had time to check.There was an unhealthy competiveness which built up between them from day 1 , which was exacerbated by the two entirely different ways of playing the game , esp 're discipline on the field.
I watched the damned utd movie and more or less dismissed it as any real insight to Clough. The film/ documentary I believe in miracles is absolutely brilliant, showing Clough ,just as he was.

It should also be remembered that ,as dirty as Leeds were, Clough believed in hard men being instilled in his team's. It was CLough who put Roy Mcfarland at the heart of Derby county's defence and won the league , he also, as has been said earlier, signed Larry lloyd from liverpool and Kenny Burns from Birmingham, both very aggressive players. Burns was a proper hard man. He used to look after the 16 year old Trevor Francis ,at the time when our former striker was scoring 4 goals in a match against Ipswich as a 16 year old.
And of course Clough, not Taylor discoverd Stuart Peacre ,one of the hardest left backs to play the game over the last few decades
and it was Clough who signed Roy Keane as a 19 year old from Ireland in later years. The difference was,I think , Clough demanded his players respect the referee and not argue with them . The same could not be said of Review at Leeds by all accounts. They were hard but snide.
Clearly encouraged by Revie. ..they must have been.

However all this discipline, and law and order public front ( he once told the Trent end ,forests vocal terrace , to stop swearing) wasn't the whole truth about the man.

Many many Notts folk know ,that behind the scenes he did just as he wanted to do....and made his money.....
Clough was witter, sharper and more articulate than Revie.
Or he appeared so....

Both men were very good forwards as players. While Revie achieved success at City, Cloughs career was cut short after he broke his leg one boxing day match at Roker Park, the break was so bad ,apparently fans in the ground heard it.....Clough had one of the most outstanding goals per games records of any striker in England at the time of his injury.which ended by career.
I still think that injury, made him bitter ,very bitter.
There were not many better forwards about than Brain Clough in his day.

I'll tell you a story about Revie. When I was at college I had a pretty good friend who was a lifelong Arsenal fan. Never missed a home game. It so happens that his stepfather had played for the great Arsenal team of the 1930s. So this guy did have access through his stepfather (who was still alive, I believe) to info that the normal fan does not. Now it so happens that Revie was one of the candidates for the manager's post at Arsenal that, I think, Bertie Mee finally got in ‘66.
Revie came in, sat down in front of the board, and was duly interviewed. They discussed terms. All fine and dandy. Then Revie right at the end said "And now, what about other payments?” It was clear that he meant, by this, under-the-counter stuff. They said, “Mr Revie, there's the door.”
Good player for City. As a manager — somewhat different.
 
In what world do you think an old Labour supporter would vote for a right-wing party like Reform?

I think his dad was a miner, and he was one of several children; the family often didn’t have two pennies to rub together.
Clough would have loved to have riled "wokies."

Clough was a known homophobe. Look at the way he treat Justin Fashanu.

He'd have no time for the current labour party and I could see him aligning with "The working class party"

He'd have given Farage a big sloppy kiss.

If he was alive I'd have loved to have been proven wrong and he would have backed Corbyn who'd have won the GE with his support.
 
Clough would have loved to have riled "wokies."

Clough was a known homophobe. Look at the way he treat Justin Fashanu.

He'd have no time for the current labour party and I could see him aligning with "The working class party"

He'd have given Farage a big sloppy kiss.

If he was alive I'd have loved to have been proven wrong and he would have backed Corbyn who'd have won the GE with his support.
I’m not sure about that last bit, but there’s no way he would have sided with a twat like Farage and Reform.
 
Clough would have loved to have riled "wokies."

Clough was a known homophobe. Look at the way he treat Justin Fashanu.

He'd have no time for the current labour party and I could see him aligning with "The working class party"

He'd have given Farage a big sloppy kiss.

If he was alive I'd have loved to have been proven wrong and he would have backed Corbyn who'd have won the GE with his support.
Intresting...very intresting viewpoint. I did like Corbyn.not wanting to derail the thread.i will leave it at that.
For both men,champagne socialist springs to mind...
But again, I'd rather concentrate on the footy,lol ; )
 

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