Brian Clough interview.

I think the best insight into Brian Clough s career and character is a book I read years ago entitled

" Provided you don't miss me "

By Duncan Hamilton ,who was a very well respected local journalist who wrote for the Nottingham evening post and Football Post ( equivalent of The Pink ) .

"Covering 20 years as forest manager,with a mixture of success,failure fall outs and alcoholism."

Once you start the book it's difficult to put down and for any one wanting to understand more about the great man at the height of his
Managerial career,this book together with ' I believe in miracles video more or less puts you in the picture.
 
dennishasdoneit said:
I think that paper shop was near Bramcote island on the outskirts of Beeston Notts, just off the A52 iirc.

My own newsagent linked story was back in the early 90s I lived in Radford Notts,my local paper shop was a 1 min walk just off Radford boulevard....owned by Jim,a rag,but one of the friendliest most knowledgeable utd fans I've ever spoken to.

...imagine my surprise when I walked in early one morning to see former Forest, but at the time, Notts County striker Gary Birtles behind the counter , I nearly collapsed in shock .He was helping out Jim, the father of his missus( who unfortunately had the beginnings of a horrible degenerative disease..) . Birtles had time to talk football, and took a genuine interest in my own footy playing , even going as far as helping me out when I hobbled in one morning with a foot injury ....he kindly arranged for me to nip into to see the1st team physio at Meadow Lane for some professional treatment .

I thought that was a brilliant gesture, one i had completely forgotten about . Doubt many modern day players would have the time to do similar...
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What a lovely gesture. Always struck me as a decent bloke.

I was pleased for Birtles when he started scoring again when he got back to Forest. He got dogs abuse at Old Trafford, as I experienced one rare occasion that I went there with my late Dad. He was trying almost too hard, and he got even more stick. Never felt sorry for a United player before or since. I heard that Ralph Milne got the same. Horrible bastards.
 
dennishasdoneit said:
I think the best insight into Brian Clough s career and character is a book I read years ago entitled

" Provided you don't miss me "

By Duncan Hamilton ,who was a very well respected local journalist who wrote for the Nottingham evening post and Football Post ( equivalent of The Pink ) .

"Covering 20 years as forest manager,with a mixture of success,failure fall outs and alcoholism."

Once you start the book it's difficult to put down and for any one wanting to understand more about the great man at the height of his
Managerial career,this book together with ' I believe in miracles video more or less puts you in the picture.
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That is a wonderful book. It describes how Taylor's mental stress towards the end of his time at Forest really affected him and his behaviour. Sad really.
 
Zabbasbeard said:
What a lovely gesture. Always struck me as a decent bloke.

I was pleased for Birtles when he started scoring again when he got back to Forest. He got dogs abuse at Old Trafford, as I experienced one rare occasion that I went there with my late Dad. He was trying almost too hard, and he got even more stick. Never felt sorry for a United player before or since. I heard that Ralph Milne got the same. Horrible bastards.
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We aren’t exactly blameless in that department.

We were at Wigan, when Samaras came on as substitute. Someone even booed him, before he got on the field.
 
Vienna_70 said:
We aren’t exactly blameless in that department.

We were at Wigan, when Samaras came on as substitute. Someone even booed him, before he got on the field.
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We certainly aren't. I say "we"....

Most of us didn't boo Paul Power, Richard Edghill and Jeff Whitley. That was truly shameful.

I remember the FOC on the Kippax who called Whitley "a little black tw*t" after he lost the ball again in our 2000 promotion season and told me to f*ck off when I told him to shut it.

United are a less tolerant crowd from what I have seen.
 
Zabbasbeard said:
We certainly aren't. I say "we"....

Most of us didn't boo Paul Power, Richard Edghill and Jeff Whitley. That was truly shameful.

I remember the FOC on the Kippax who called Whitley "a little black tw*t" after lost the ball again in our 2000 promotion season told me to fuck off when I told him to shut it.

United are a less tolerant crowd from what I have seen.
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And Ian Bowyer before that.

I can’t say I remember Jeff being booed, but the treatment of Edghill was nothing short of disgusting.

Supporters seemed to think that he should have been able to patrol the whole of the right-hand side of the pitch on his own.

I loved Reg. I thought he was a great player, but he deserved better.
 
Zabbasbeard said:
We certainly aren't. I say "we"....

Most of us didn't boo Paul Power, Richard Edghill and Jeff Whitley. That was truly shameful.

I remember the FOC on the Kippax who called Whitley "a little black tw*t" after he lost the ball again in our 2000 promotion season and told me to f*ck off when I told him to shut it.

United are a less tolerant crowd from what I have seen.
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Getting back to Clough , Ian Bowyer was I understand a boo boy at City late 60s. Finally left for Orient ,then joined Forest and won the league and two European cups. There is a match at City ground where Forest destroyed us 4nil or something similar ( it may have been my first ever City game feb1980) Bowyer scores at the Bridgford end after a horrific mix up in our defence , comical stuff and Bowyer runs back to his own half doubling up with laughter ...I don't remember it from the game I was at ,but I've seen it since on video and it's painful to watch...

But must have been a hugely satisfying moment for the player.

CLough strikes again with a 'reject ' ...you 've got to hand it to the man,and Taylor,incredibly savvy purchases.
 
dennishasdoneit said:
Getting back to Clough , Ian Bowyer was I understand a boo boy at City late 60s. Finally left for Orient ,then joined Forest and won the league and two European cups. There is a match at City ground where Forest destroyed us 4nil or something similar ( it may have been my first ever City game feb1980) Bowyer scores at the Bridgford end after a horrific mix up in our defence , comical stuff and Bowyer runs back to his own half doubling up with laughter ...I don't remember it from the game I was at ,but I've seen it since on video and it's painful to watch...

But must have been a hugely satisfying moment for the player.

CLough strikes again with a 'reject ' ...you 've got to hand it to the man,and Taylor,incredibly savvy purchases.
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Yes Bowyer was a boo-boy at City; Mrs Vienna can attest to that, and she was nearly punched at one game, defending him against some burly knobhead giving him dog’s abuse.
 
Vienna_70 said:
Yes Bowyer was a boo-boy at City; Mrs Vienna can attest to that, and she was nearly punched at one game, defending him against some burly knobhead giving him dog’s abuse.
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Well done Mrs Vienna !
I get the impression fans were spoilt with the more gifted players we had at the club at the time ( same could be said of Paul Power later years) and were quick to call him out.
 
dennishasdoneit said:
Well done Mrs Vienna !
I get the impression fans were spoilt with the more gifted players we had at the club at the time ( same could be said of Paul Power later years) and were quick to call him out.
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Yes, Bowyer was taking the place of one or other of the holy trinity, though he wasn’t at their level, of course, and supporters didn’t give him the chance to develop his own skills.
 
Vienna_70 said:
And Ian Bowyer before that.

I can’t say I remember Jeff being booed, but the treatment of Edghill was nothing short of disgusting.

Supporters seemed to think that he should have been able to patrol the whole of the right-hand side of the pitch on his own.

I loved Reg. I thought he was a great player, but he deserved better.
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It was more barracking of Jeff Whitley by brainless dickheads than booing.
 
Clough was like Big Mal, great when teamed with a competent more restrained and wise partner, pretty average when not.

Without taylor he failed at leeds, and ploded along at forest the first season there and after they fell out.

Not a criticism on him as he was a great charactor in the game but as withh many great managerial partnerships it worked better when they were together as ataylor was pretty poor when solo tbf
 
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urban genie said:
Clough was like Big Mal, great when teamed with a competent more restrained and wise partner, pretty average when not.

Without taylor he failed at leeds, and ploded along at forest the first season there and after they fell out.

Not a criticism on him as he was a great charactor in the game but as withh many great managerial partnerships it worked better when they were together as ataylor was pretty poor when solo tbf
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Better with Taylor for sure, but Clough still won two league cups and kept Forest mainly in the top end of the table without him (3rd place 3 times checking the records though there is the relegation at the end when he clearly was unwell), so I'd say clearly above average. Taylor struggled with Derby who were in a total mess when he got there - kept them up in the old Div 2 one season, but was gone during the next relegation season. Not all his fault.
 
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KearsleyBlue said:

Documentary about the clough/revie interview
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Enjoyed that. the documentaty confirmed, as I had suspected ,both Clough and Revie were paid a princely sum to enter a studio together at such a sensitive time; £400 each, a decent sum for 30 mins work back in 1974....cash.

Clough had only just agreed a whopping big pay off ftom leeds chairman Manny Cussings, I forget the figure,but save to say it set Clough up for life. Another easy £400 on top , and...if I heard right Clough also asked for 40 fags on top, ,didn't even know he smoked....and a cheese sandwich!!
Both men couldn't resist that type of cash, even tho they hated each other.......
 
I think Clough didn't get enough credit for the way he nurtured his son Nigel s early career. City fans generally scoff at Clough junior as he joined us at the tail end of his career.
But I remember him being forest top scorer for something daft like 5 years on the bounce in the top division. No real pace and not flashy or gobby. Just a superbly disciplined slightly built centre forward with a brilliant 1st touch, excellent Vision, and an ability to shoot low and hard and accurately. Every time.
I imagine Brian tought him the 1st touch ball control and the discipline

I remember watching forest at home in the old central league , Clough junior would regularly turn out at centre back ,whilst he was a 1st team regular at centre forward, I imagine to learn how a centre half thinks and moves.to help his education.

I recall one 1st team match v Arsenal, the old boring dirty arsenal with Dixon winterburn Adams and bould and the infamous offside trap.
Adams and Bould kicked lumps out of Clough from behind. It didn't seem a fair contest! Both towered above him. Late on the ball was played down the right wing someone crossed it hard and low to the near post...Clough slid in to finish . 1nil Forest. Final score.

Clough was part of it seemed, endless forest sides who seemed to be on a different level to us at Maine rd, and his impudent back heel finish past Andy dibble straight from a corner in a 3nil win one season prob sums up how bad we were .
 
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