Brian Marwood (merged)

[franksinatra]

Re: Well done Brian Marwood.

A lot of people with their heads in the sand Gary and aren't prepared to accept that. Scapegoating Marwood is seemingly easier than making the manager accountable for his team's performance to some.

Making the manager accountable for players performance is the favourite game of many also.

When the team collectively fails - the manager is responsible. It's not rocket science and it isn't any different at any other club. Just seems as per my post above, some people seem more interested in scapegoating a guy who had fuck all say in what we spent this summer rather than looking out our collective failings and making the man in charge responsible.

BTW ... you saw last night first hand up close and personal why Jurgen Klopp is the man who should replace Mancini when he chooses to leave us.

Collectively fails?

At the moment we are unbeaten in the Premier league. Havent lost at home for nearly two years in the league and are currently the Champions of England. Its hardly collective failure.

Were struggling for form at the minute. Nothing more, nothing less. We still have the team that made us champions and that was due mainly to the signings of Mancini. Its not collective failure.

I would question some of his signings over the summer and they appeared to be last minute players to extend the size of the squad, otherwise, we would have been in serious trouble this year. Fact is he wanted RVP, DDR, Martinez and Hazard. We ended up with Rodwell, Garcia, Maicon and Sinclair. Difficult to say who is to blame for that without knowing thw inner workings of the club.

 

[Blue Heaven]

Re: Well done Brian Marwood.

Now you bemoaned Mancini for failing to get out of (with 10 point, the highest a team has been eliminated at the group stage since 2006) the group last season in a much tougher group. Can you not see why I would find this somewhat hypocritical (god forbid) of you.

If you can't see the enormous difference between a team with a manager with a load of CL experience managing a squad with a load of quality and CL experience and a young team with a young manager who had never before managed in the CL or played in it then that is your business.

Dortmund will go further than us in this competition.

We have just witnessed one game, it was a one off match, 12 months ago, near enough to the day, we went and scored 6 against Fergie's team. Would you have been saying that proved Mancini a better manager than SAF after that result?

If you think last night is a one off or that Dortmund were lucky again that's your business. I've followed them enough in the last few years to not be in the least bit surprised by their performance. They played as they do in the Bundesliga.

Yesterday proved nothing, we played badly and got a draw.

Yesterday proved that quality alone in your team does not guarantee success.

BVB's performance yesterday was simply a return to normal service for them. They've been remarkably consistent, week in and week out, in die Bundesliga for the last two seasons. They rested players and battered Moenchengladbach 5-0 over the weekend, so they were already coming off a fine performance.

 

[Chi-town blues]

Re: Well done Brian Marwood.

Billy is talking far too much sense this season ;)

If Mancini didn't want any of these "so called" Marwood buys then why has he been playing them so much?

It's obvious he wanted RVP and Hazard but so would most managers and you don't always get every target.

Time for Mancini to find a formation/system that gets the best out of the squad instead of moaning about missed targets, tiredness and internationals.

I believe that is what Bobby is trying to do ,,hence playing those so called 'Marwood buys'

 

[peoffrey]

Re: Well done Brian Marwood.

I would question some of his signings over the summer and they appeared to be last minute players to extend the size of the squad, otherwise, we would have been in serious trouble this year. Fact is he wanted RVP, DDR, Martinez and Hazard. We ended up with Rodwell, Garcia, Maicon and Sinclair. Difficult to say who is to blame for that without knowing thw inner workings of the club.

3 of those new players aren't starting in my personal City team. I'm not even sure who'd make the bench.

 

[Blue Haze]

Re: Well done Brian Marwood.

Yesterday was his Damien Comolli moment. Adios Brian.

 

[cookster]

Re: Well done Brian Marwood.

Yesterday was his Damien Comolli moment. Adios Brian.

And you know this how?

 

[VinceYoungisaBLUE]

Re: Well done Brian Marwood.

Making the manager accountable for players performance is the favourite game of many also.

When the team collectively fails - the manager is responsible. It's not rocket science and it isn't any different at any other club. Just seems as per my post above, some people seem more interested in scapegoating a guy who had fuck all say in what we spent this summer rather than looking out our collective failings and making the man in charge responsible.

BTW ... you saw last night first hand up close and personal why Jurgen Klopp is the man who should replace Mancini when he chooses to leave us.

Collectively fails?

At the moment we are unbeaten in the Premier league. Havent lost at home for nearly two years in the league and are currently the Champions of England. Its hardly collective failure.

Were struggling for form at the minute. Nothing more, nothing less. We still have the team that made us champions and that was due mainly to the signings of Mancini. Its not collective failure.

I would question some of his signings over the summer and they appeared to be last minute players to extend the size of the squad, otherwise, we would have been in serious trouble this year. Fact is he wanted RVP, DDR, Martinez and Hazard. We ended up with Rodwell, Garcia, Maicon and Sinclair. Difficult to say who is to blame for that without knowing thw inner workings of the club.

When you see who he wanted and then see who we ended up with, its kind of depressing

 

[B\connellblue]

Re: Well done Brian Marwood.

=When you see who he wanted and then see who we ended up with, its kind of depressing

If you went to buy a mercedes and all that was in the showroom was an escort, would you still buy it? Has to be more to it than that!

 

[Panthera Tigris]

Re: Well done Brian Marwood.

I don't know if it's all on Marwood or someone else, but our net spend recently in a shambles.

selling good players for next to nowt (Caicedo, Ade, NDJ etc.) and buying mostly way over the real value, this summer has been a disaster in the market. It's like what I used to do in Football Manager managing United, sell off good players for nothing and buy a load of duds for massive fees and wages. And then watch them crash and burn.

 

[adrianr]

Re: Well done Brian Marwood.

I would question some of his signings over the summer and they appeared to be last minute players to extend the size of the squad, otherwise, we would have been in serious trouble this year. Fact is he wanted RVP, DDR, Martinez and Hazard. We ended up with Rodwell, Garcia, Maicon and Sinclair. Difficult to say who is to blame for that without knowing thw inner workings of the club.

This about sums it up for me. Mancini wanted Thiago Silva, he got Nastasic (Admittedly a fantastic prospect, but he wanted high quality experience to challenge this season - I'm guessing a Kompany/Silva pairing would have kept at least one clean sheet by now). He wanted Hazard, he got Sinclair - Point makes itself I think. He wanted DDR, he got Garcia - Again, doesn't need much explaining. He wanted RVP to replace, presumably, Dzeko - We still have Dzeko, the rags have RVP and he's scoring for fun.

Now Mancini couldn't have had every single one of his first choice targets, that would have just been an insane luxury at a time of trying to cut back a little, but to get absolutely NONE of them after winning the league by a whisker after dropping out of all other competitions early is really poor. We shouldn't be averse to laying some blame at the owners feet either - If Mancini wanted the players, Marwood did everything to buy the players, but Mansour/Khaldoon didn't authorise the spending, then they're to blame. I know it doesn't sit well with people to blame the people who have already given us more than we could ever dream of, but looking at the situation in isolation that could very well be the long and short of it. Obviously we're much happier to blame Marwood, because it allows us not to blame our owners, but just consider that they could be the reason we didn't get any of our first choice targets.

As for our scouting department, if the crop of players we bought in are the best we can do, besides Nastasic, who seemed a reasonably known quantity for such a youngster, we need to bang some heads or fire some people, because we haven't addressed any of our weaknesses or improved the first team in any way. Our strongest team this season is still pretty much the strongest one last season, with all the same flaws our opponents had figured out already. We're bringing nothing new to the table this year. Our competitors are, and in the time it takes everyone else to figure out their new strategies they're picking up valuable points.

(The above is not to say Mancini shouldn't be doing better with the players we have - He should).